Cheney Suffers Heart Attack Number Five

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Originally posted by Jongsstraw:

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Originally posted by GinoBiffaroni:

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Originally posted by chrisisall:

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Originally posted by GinoBiffaroni:

the words Conservative, and Republican shouldn't be used to describe the folk running the right anymore...

Just call them the corporate interests party and be done with it

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Total agreement here.

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what do you think JONGSSTRAW ?

or anyone on the reasonable right ?

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Well first, thanks for asking. I'd have to say that there is validity to that point of view. But I don't think that's always necessarily a bad thing, and I would also say that Democrats/Liberals have their own 2-way entities of support, including some corporations, lawyers, teachers, Hollywood, unions, cultural and arts organizations, climate change advocacy groups, etc. Obama Admin just recently awarded a large no-bid contract to a company that supported Obama in the campaign for them to develop an anthrax antidote. Repubs are probably more guilty of that sort of thing, but it has occured on both sides. It's easy to label Republicans as the party of "corporate interests", but I believe corporations have donated more money to Dem candidates than Repubs in recent times. I may be wrong on that assertion, but it wouldn't be by that much if I am wrong. I really don't know if labels mean anything any more. In many ways, the overwhelming majority of us have turned into Independents. Only the most extreme left or right of center folks support their party's positions and actions 100%. For me personally, it usually comes down to deciding to defend the "indefensible" or not...usually not.

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But would you agree that the right has moved away from the original core conservative values

in say environmental issues, or away from fiscal conservative values, or in terms of smaller government...


I may be mistaken, and will look for cites if you want... but didn't the size of government grow substantially under Reagan, and both Bushs ?

I don't mean to pick on the repubs with this, I am just concerned that they not only have been hijacked by the far right fringe, but that they have been pulled far enough over that they are really no longer viable to the moderate independent voter base...

and if that is true, then the Dems dont need to worry about their base either, and go further left...

Also, if the Republicans have moved off the core values on keys issues...

why hasn't their voter base made it an issue at the conventions if no where else... the candidates seem to send too much of their time trying to pick up support from the super Christian right, or other far right elements... but the moderates don't seem to be heard over top of the screaming...

The same is starting to become true of the dems, although Obama is moving more slowly

The only good thing I can see coming from this is the possibility of a new more centralist party forming to bridge the gap between the far right repubs and the far left dems... but that hasnt happened yet...

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Jong,

I just reread your post again and the last line

" I really don't know if labels mean anything any more. In many ways, the overwhelming majority of us have turned into Independents. Only the most extreme left or right of center folks support their party's positions and actions 100%. For me personally, it usually comes down to deciding to defend the "indefensible" or not...usually not. "


Really seems to hit the buttons in questions of foreign policy...

Both partys seem to want to go to exactly the same place, they may take slightly different tacks to get there but they go straight there anyway...

Is it the advisors all seem to come from the CFR ?

or the lobbys pushing for war ( Haliburton, arms manufacturing, etc ) that strong on both sides of the aisle ?

crazy to think despite all the election talk and posturing... you get exactly the same thing in the end... and it winds up being something the majority didn't want

sigh


have they started that third party up yet ?

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Originally posted by Niki2:
I agree with J--not about corporate donations,bur about the parties. tho i fully agree both sides get more than their share! The parties I see are more like democrat hard, moderate (which seems to incorpotate R + D, and nut-wing righr. I went Independent some time ago.

As ro the sock puppet thing, as usual I'm shocked, again, by what's possible here. Disgusting.

As for any typos I make today, it's cuz i'm stuck typing one-handed due to injury. Wasn't me. wouldn't even occur to me. i may not even be here much todat--too hard to type.

it seemed to me one of crappy's detractors, rather than his ilk.

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Thank you Niki, the sock puppet's been around longer than I have but I am here to stay

I am sorry to hear about your hand

I hope you will feel better soon





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