School used laptop webcams to spy on kids at home
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Originally posted by Kwicko:
Why, "Hero", that sounds almost as preposterous as the "Obama is a socialist" crazytalk your boys have been throwing around at CPAC and elsewhere!
Obama is not a socialist...his policies are socialist, but he is merely a liberal intellectual elitist who is proving to be politically and professionally out of his depth.
That's so cute - Hitler wasn't evil; just his policies were. And I guess you'd label anyone an elitist who is smarter than you, which would make an astonishing number of people "elitist" in your book.
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Thats why so little real leadership and policy direction has come out of the White House in the last year. He takes months to make some decisions, others he makes far too quickly and in both cases his decisions are bad ones forcing course corrections, spin, and backstepping while all along denying any negative results or failed expectations.
But I think Beck reads too much conspiracy into incompetence and bad leadership.
I think you read too much incompetence into leadership you don't happen to agree with.
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I think Obama has good intentions and positive goals and does not understand how to implement policy or why people are upset with him. This leads to the reactionary and defensive thinking demonstrated time and again by the White House.
This is a sharp contrast to the Bush administration that took decisive action and lead the nations policy, both foriegn and domestic from a frontline position. While not always the correct action or successful and too often mired in a 'stay the course' mentality...it had the advantage of consistant policy and leading from the front thinking that people could always rely on for a stability that is lacking in the present administration (to his credit Clinton was the same way, although his tendency was to follow the polls, but at least he could stay out front of the issues). While I would encourage Obama to take a more central leadership role, such as he did this week by releasing his own health care plan (although like the other two Democrat plans it is a national disaster in the making), he should have released his own plan months ago instead of allowing the Congress to take the lead. Same is true of the Stimulas plan, which was a Pelosi boondoggle. He also should have buckled down and made a decision on Afganistan in a week or two rather then months later.
How long did Bush take to decide whether to up the troop levels in Afghanistan? A week or two? Or more like seven years, at which time he decided to just punt and make it the next guy's problem?
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I think regardless of whether these things had met immediate success, people would have respected the leadership and his poll numbers would have been slower coming down. They elected Obama to lead, not to wallow...er...follow.
So you're going on record as saying that you favor bad decisions that result in the deaths of thousands of Americans and tens of thousands of other people, over good decisions that save lives, based purely on which ones make a better show of "leadership"? Wouldn't you call that "leadership theater"?
H
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"Hero. I have come to respect you." "I am forced to agree with Hero here."- Chrisisall, 2009.
"Hero", I have never respected you. I may have to bring your quote about "intellegence" [sic] back as my signature if you're going to keep Chris's quote as yours. ;)
Mike
Work is the curse of the Drinking Class.
- Oscar Wilde
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Originally posted by Fremdfirma:
Firstoff, you *can not* sign away a Constitutional Right, did you happen to forget that little bit about "Supreme Law of the Land" ?
Actually you can waive your rights, but the waiver must be "knowing" and "voluntary".
Parents can waive the rights of their children.
Children have Constitutional rights...famous line from the Supreme Court "the Consitution does not stop at the schoolhouse gate". However they cannot exercise their rights absent parental consent. For example, a child cannot file a lawsuit, the parent files the suit on the child's behalf (noting for the record that their are limited circumstances that allow others to act 'in loco parentis' usually through an appointed child's advocate or agreement such as a school being authorized to arrange for emergency medical treatment on a field trip when the parent cannot be contacted in a reasonable time all of which go to the idea that a child cannot exercise their Constitutional rights without adult supervision).
H
"Hero. I have come to respect you." "I am forced to agree with Hero here."- Chrisisall, 2009.
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Originally posted by Hero:Quote:
Originally posted by Fremdfirma:
Firstoff, you *can not* sign away a Constitutional Right, did you happen to forget that little bit about "Supreme Law of the Land" ?
Actually you can waive your rights, but the waiver must be "knowing" and "voluntary".
Parents can waive the rights of their children.
Children have Constitutional rights...famous line from the Supreme Court "the Consitution does not stop at the schoolhouse gate". However they cannot exercise their rights absent parental consent. For example, a child cannot file a lawsuit, the parent files the suit on the child's behalf (noting for the record that their are limited circumstances that allow others to act 'in loco parentis' usually through an appointed child's advocate or agreement such as a school being authorized to arrange for emergency medical treatment on a field trip when the parent cannot be contacted in a reasonable time all of which go to the idea that a child cannot exercise their Constitutional rights without adult supervision).
I agree. Therefore all driver licenses are invalid, since 14-year-old to 18-year-old children, not their parents, sign those contracts to waiver their Constitutionally guaranteed right to travel. And adults are extorted at duress at gunpoint by police state death squads to sign driver license contracts, thus their signature is not "voluntary".
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Electronic Frontier Foundation Chief Council Kevin Bankston:"private schools or employers can ask you to sign away your right to privacy, but not a government entity like a public school. “To condition one’s receipt of government benefits on your surrendering a constitutional right is itself unconstitutional.”
Just like driver licenses for adults, to waive their constitutionally guaranteed right to travel without an internal passport, subject to arrest by police state death squads for all normal driving, as required by the Communist Manifesto.
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"The Right of the Citizen to travel upon public highways by automobile is not a mere privilege which may be permitted or prohibited at will, but the common Right which he has under his Right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness, under Constitutional guarantee."
-II Am.Jur. (1st) Constitutional Law, Sect.329
"The claim and exercise of a constitutional right cannot be converted into a crime."
-Miller v. US, 230 F 486, 489
"There can be no sanction or penalty imposed upon one because of this exercise of constitutional Rights."
-Snerer vs. Cullen, 481 F. 946
"Where rights secured by the Constitution are involved, there can be no rule making or legislation which would abrogate them."
-Miranda vs. Arizona, 384 US 436, 491
"I’ll burn your house down, set your dog on fire and there won’t be a member of your family left, do you understand me? I won’t hire it done, I will do it myself! Do you understand me?”
-Blount County sheriff James Berrong, United States Court of Appeals, Sixth Circuit, Nuchols v. Berrong, No. 04-5645, July 11, 2005
http://www.ca6.uscourts.gov/opinions.pdf/05a0586n-06.pdf
"In Hurricane Katrina's chaotic aftermath, police shot six people – killing two – as they crossed a bridge in search of food. As victims' relatives watched from the courtroom gallery, a retired lieutenant who supervised the department's probe of the shootings pleaded guilty to orchestrating a cover-up to conceal that police gunned down unarmed civilians. Michael Lohman, a 21-year veteran of the force, pleaded guilty to a charge of conspiracy to obstruct justice. Prosecutors said Lohman and other unidentified officers conspired to fabricate witness statements, falsify reports of the incident and plant a gun in an attempt to make it appear the killings were justified. The shootings happened on Sept. 4, 2005, six days after the storm smashed levees and flooded 80 percent of the city. Survivors have said the officers fired at unarmed people who were crossing to get food at a grocery store."
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Children have Constitutional rights...famous line from the Supreme Court "the Consitution does not stop at the schoolhouse gate". However they cannot exercise their rights absent parental consent. For example, a child cannot file a lawsuit, the parent files the suit on the child's behalf (noting for the record that their are limited circumstances that allow others to act 'in loco parentis' usually through an appointed child's advocate or agreement such as a school being authorized to arrange for emergency medical treatment on a field trip when the parent cannot be contacted in a reasonable time all of which go to the idea that a child cannot exercise their Constitutional rights without adult supervision).
There's actually probable cause to amend the parental consent stipulation, what with concerns about abuse.
But I suppose that's what hearings for emancipation are about. Still, there really ought to be a way for kids to act without parental consent if there really are rights violations going on and parents are complicit, without necessarily emancipating the kid from the parents. Not only might it protect the parents more, in the event that things lead to an emancipation hearing or if the violators try to drag the parents in, but it also gives kids a way to defend themselves.
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(We're workin on that, Byte.)
Formenting Dissent:
Man, you just can't buy satisfaction like this...
That horrible school my niece goes to sometime in the recent past discovered who her uncle is, prolly due to her telling them in a fit of rage I suspect, and ever since they've treated her with a bit more respect and a lot less bullshit as continuing to do so risks provoking the wrath of her "Faery Godfather" as she puts it.
Now, amusing that it is to see my perception of CCW reinforced that way even if your "weapon" is a purple Firefly...
http://www.fireflymobile.com/
I've generally not meddled, for which I am sure they're quite thankful since my last bit of meddling was the memorable student government/dress code disaster and that ain't by no means been forgotten.
I *DO* have issues with their surveillence though, and they were apparently plotting a similar laptop program, no doubt with lanrev or something similar.
Well, her homeroom has eighteen kids in it, and this particular homeroom teacher has a thing against candy with the usual "unless you brought enough for everybody" line of tripe.
So, while digging through the mess in this thread, I got a wild hair and shipped her nineteen boxes of Mike & Ike candy...
(heh heh heh)
So when the homeroom teacher calls her on munching it in class, undaunted, she pulls out the other eighteen boxes, and passes them around - mind you this stupid laptop incident has been the talk of her school for days now.
The teacher takes a look at the box, does a doubletake, and yells THAT IS NOT FUNNY!
The students disagreed, passionately, all but rolling out of their chairs.
And now I have a rather unhappy sounding message from the principal in my voicemail, oh boy, oh joy, accusing me of formenting disrespect for authority, school policy, etc etc...
That's gonna be a fun phone call tomorrow, I think.
Really though, what it amounts to is a shot across the bow in stern warning that such antics won't fly so well, and I wanted them to KNOW it.
But it *was* bloody hilarious, yeah.
-F
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Quote:He only does it to embarrass me in my moment of bi-partisan weakness, I conjure.
Originally posted by Kwicko:
"Hero", I have never respected you. I may have to bring your quote about "intellegence" [sic] back as my signature if you're going to keep Chris's quote as yours. ;)
The laughing Chrisisall
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Cheez-wiz, they're about to throw a hissy over CANDY? And call relatives over not obeying an arbitrary UNOFFICIAL class room rule?
I mean, she met the letter of the law of that stupid request. Are they that bureaucratic, that CONTROLLING that they would obsess over the spirit of the law in the TINIEST of infractions, when the rule is so poorly defined?
What the hell kind of school is this? I'm thankful my group of outsiders and misfits back in the day never had to put up with that kind of crap. Well, except one time I got in trouble for "reciting the national anthem wrong." I managed to twist my mockery of the monotone brainwashing into some sort of "patriotic" excuse, though, so I got out of it.
Oh yeah, and then the time we wanted to skip the "optional" vote for your student body council assembly to go get bagels, because it's a bunch of bullshit. And found that the school had blocked off all the gates to exit the grounds and had police cars patrolling the area. So we called the fire department, on account of the school having created a potential fire hazard, and got THEM all in trouble, hahahahaha. SUCKERS.
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Originally posted by Fremdfirma:
(We're workin on that, Byte.)
Formenting Dissent:
Man, you just can't buy satisfaction like this...
That horrible school my niece goes to sometime in the recent past discovered who her uncle is, prolly due to her telling them in a fit of rage I suspect, and ever since they've treated her with a bit more respect and a lot less bullshit as continuing to do so risks provoking the wrath of her "Faery Godfather" as she puts it.
Now, amusing that it is to see my perception of CCW reinforced that way even if your "weapon" is a purple Firefly...
http://www.fireflymobile.com/
I've generally not meddled, for which I am sure they're quite thankful since my last bit of meddling was the memorable student government/dress code disaster and that ain't by no means been forgotten.
I *DO* have issues with their surveillence though, and they were apparently plotting a similar laptop program, no doubt with lanrev or something similar.
Well, her homeroom has eighteen kids in it, and this particular homeroom teacher has a thing against candy with the usual "unless you brought enough for everybody" line of tripe.
So, while digging through the mess in this thread, I got a wild hair and shipped her nineteen boxes of Mike & Ike candy...
(heh heh heh)
So when the homeroom teacher calls her on munching it in class, undaunted, she pulls out the other eighteen boxes, and passes them around - mind you this stupid laptop incident has been the talk of her school for days now.
The teacher takes a look at the box, does a doubletake, and yells THAT IS NOT FUNNY!
The students disagreed, passionately, all but rolling out of their chairs.
And now I have a rather unhappy sounding message from the principal in my voicemail, oh boy, oh joy, accusing me of formenting disrespect for authority, school policy, etc etc...
That's gonna be a fun phone call tomorrow, I think.
Really though, what it amounts to is a shot across the bow in stern warning that such antics won't fly so well, and I wanted them to KNOW it.
But it *was* bloody hilarious, yeah.
-F
That is just beauty. "Fomenting disrespect for authority." Puh. Leeze. What we need in this country is MORE disrespect for authority. And why on Earth SHOULD any self-respecting kid respect their elders? What the fuck have we done for them, other than saddle them with a lifetime's worth of debt and a fucked-up planet to try to fix?
Respect is a two-way street, and it has to be given to be earned. Respect these kids and treat them as human freaking beings, and they just MIGHT start showing some respect back. Who knows, they might decide we're not all completely worthless and morally bankrupt, too. But I'm not willing to stretch it quite that far.
Shit, I've got half a mind to send her a case of the candies again, just as an added little "Eff YOU" to the school and the teacher. Feel free to mention that in your phone call tomorrow. :)
Mike
Work is the curse of the Drinking Class.
- Oscar Wilde
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Originally posted by Bytemite:
Cheez-wiz, they're about to throw a hissy over CANDY? And call relatives over not obeying an arbitrary UNOFFICIAL class room rule?
I mean, she met the letter of the law of that stupid request. Are they that bureaucratic, that CONTROLLING that they would obsess over the spirit of the law in the TINIEST of infractions, when the rule is so poorly defined?
Oh yes, they're that bad, always have been.
See, this *IS* the school I staged that pocket revolt on, when the student government cock-blocked their idiotic dress code, and that was twenty some years ago, and STILL not forgotten.
Which is also why they do not have uniforms, mind you.
And here's what really, REALLY scares them about all this...
Those kids involved in that revolt, back then ?
Are in many cases the PARENTS of the kids attending the school now, and so if I were to raise the revolution flag again, they'd be in shit so deep they'd drown, and believe me, they're *well* aware of that fact.
Also, apropros of nothin in particular, the fact that people like you exist is one of the things that gives me hope for the world yet, Byte.
-Frem
(and sends Justin into horrified tremors of panic, or did when I told him I liked you.)
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So what is it that creates an environment like that? Is it the school board? Some bigshot in the local community who's had a large say in policy? A long parade of inept and incompetent administrators who perpetuate a mindset, that teachers are coerced to go along with? Viral infection for previously unexposed people to "total douchebag" syndrome?
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