Cheney Suffers Heart Attack Number Five
POSTED BY: Kwicko
UPDATED: Saturday, February 27, 2010 20:31
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Quote:Humans are prone to disease later in life. Depressed and/or angry peeps more so. Twisted pieces of s**t seem to live forever (barring bullet to the brainpan a la Hitler, or rope-a-dope a la Saddam).
Originally posted by Kwicko:
Ponder this for a moment: Here is a man who is so hated and reviled that even his own organs rise up and attack him!
If Cheney is truly evil (as I suspect), he will be just fine.
The laughing Chrisisall
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Quote:
Originally posted by Bytemite:
Frem, Niki: Well, that suggestion was mostly for the scenario that every last one of Cheney and his friends have ALREADY fallen from grace, and assuming the entire rest of the population is out for their heads. Then maybe we could afford to show them the humanity they refused to show so many other people, and keep the moral high ground.
If there was even hope of them being held to account for their crimes...
I might agree
As they are above the law, they'll get absolutely no sympathy from me.
See Dick Hang
Hang Dick Hang
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These two scenes come to mind...
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Quote:
Originally posted by Bytemite:
Frem, Niki: Well, that suggestion was mostly for the scenario that every last one of Cheney and his friends have ALREADY fallen from grace, and assuming the entire rest of the population is out for their heads. Then maybe we could afford to show them the humanity they refused to show so many other people, and keep the moral high ground.
A creditable thought, but a wasted one, sociopaths have no ability to appreciate such a thing, never will, all they'll see is a weakness to exploit and to their dying day will never stop trying to.
Neither can we afford it, there's still too many gleeful jackboot licking enablers in our society - although thankfully less and less would-be tyrants as the "old guard" dies off and the would-be successors are woefully and laughably incompetent due to the fact that whether they realize it or not, they're *not* true sociopaths, but emulators*(1), and as such have enough humanity left in them that it keeps tripping up their nefarious plans.
Like I said, a race between sanity and self-destruction.
Of all the "old guard", the only one who I am really concerned about is Rumsfeld, cause unlike the rest of them neo-con squeazels, he actually has a pair, and is competent besides - plus he has a fat chunk of money by way of repeating his 1976 "swine flu" dirty tricks, although I bet less than he expected since he made the mistake of trying to pull that stunt again while folks who remembered it the first time were still alive, and pushing too hard, too fast against folk who were already suspicious as hell of having their buttons pushed that way.
The boiled frog trick doesn't work so well once the frogs know what's going on.
Anyhows, I too would *prefer* your concept, but long experience learned the hard way has taught me that such mercy is a critical mistake which future generations always seem to wind up paying for... dearly.
So I'd say give em to me, and let the sin be mine alone.
Todays and tomorrows children need, and deserve, a future composed of something more than our failures.
-Frem
The Board of Governors: This seems a steep price for so small a service: to crush a powerless cripple.
Tan'elKoth: Doubly fools. He does have power. One power: the power to devote himself absolutely to a single goal, to be ruthless with himself and all else in its pursuit. It is the only power he needs - because, unlike the great mass of men, he is aware of this power, and he is willing, even happy, to use it.
*(1) Sociopathic behavior as a learned survival/defense mechanism is a very different thing than true sociopathy, since it is a *conditioned* response, as opposed to in-born, and tends to fall apart quickly under pressure in an environment where it's a disadvantage - they may thrive in public schools, but in a sudbury model school's social environment, they'd be bottom rung and it would no longer be a useful survival trait, thus the conditioning will collapse, we've already seen this and proven it out.
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BTW: I Liked Mr. Morden.
But then I did side with the Shadows from the very start, as it wasn't THEM that started meddling, and they were extremely restrained in their initial responses to it - they were willing, to a point, to leave the other races the hell *alone* and let them develop as they would, so long as they did not feel threatened.
Not so the Vorlons, no, they HAD to be in charge, they HAD to meddle, even to the point of setting up races for their own destruction instead of development by using them as proxy weapons despite the Shadows having done nothing but, yanno, continue to exist - and *knowing* what provoking them would do, went and manipulated the younger races into doing exactly that, then all but abandoned them as the cannon fodder they were being used as.
*hisssss*
Not that I think he was a decent fellow, but yeah, I did like Mr Morden, and when you actually think it through, EVERYONE who asked him for something got *exactly what they wanted*, even Vir, did they not ?
(For the record though, Vir not only showed real spine about it, he also showed more sense than anyone else who dealt with him)
La Mordida: The art of bribing someone in such a fashion as to make the bribe they ask for worthless, dangerous, or an injury to them.
-F
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I was simply thinking in terms of putting someones head on a pike as an example for generations to come...
But I do like you analysis
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Originally posted by Fremdfirma:
BTW: I Liked Mr. Morden.
But then I did side with the Shadows from the very start, as it wasn't THEM that started meddling, and they were extremely restrained in their initial responses to it - they were willing, to a point, to leave the other races the hell *alone* and let them develop as they would, so long as they did not feel threatened.
Not so the Vorlons, no, they HAD to be in charge, they HAD to meddle, even to the point of setting up races for their own destruction instead of development by using them as proxy weapons despite the Shadows having done nothing but, yanno, continue to exist - and *knowing* what provoking them would do, went and manipulated the younger races into doing exactly that, then all but abandoned them as the cannon fodder they were being used as.
*hisssss*
Not that I think he was a decent fellow, but yeah, I did like Mr Morden, and when you actually think it through, EVERYONE who asked him for something got *exactly what they wanted*, even Vir, did they not ?
(For the record though, Vir not only showed real spine about it, he also showed more sense than anyone else who dealt with him)
La Mordida: The art of bribing someone in such a fashion as to make the bribe they ask for worthless, dangerous, or an injury to them.
-F
Damn, you made me want to go rewatch the show now...
"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."
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Weird Al
Heart Attack Number Five
Lyrics
Ladies and gentle men im having heart attack number five!
1, 2, 3, 4, 5, it�s a miracle im still alive
I eat 15 meals a day
im wanted by the USRDA
i don�t eat healthy or tofu or soy
i want to eat the Pillsbury doo boy
i love eat�n i just cant stop
i just ate Toney Tiger, Snap, Crackle, and Pop
like a sumo wrestler that�s how i feel
i want to eat the oscar myner wiener mo byle
after dinner ill eat a snack
i could hide cave moss in my crack
(chorus)
A little bit of pizza in my life
give me a little sour cream on the side
A boul of gravy all i need
an order of french fries just for me
a couple cheese burgers in the sun
ill have gas panes all night long
i want to wash down with a bottle of whine
and give me a six pack and ill feel fine
give me a hook or a steak
give me a piece of pork(hic up)
give me a side of bacon
WAAAAAAAAA
get in my belly!
Waa jump up jump down
on to the ground
put your hands on your heart
and flop all around
spase all around
spase out to the left
spase out to the right
put your arms in the air
and move them every where
twitch around once
twitch around twice
if your fropin at the mouth
then your doing it right!
(chorus)
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It's always worth a re-watch, Story, kinda like Firefly, it's quality endures such, and there's always so many little things to pick up on in later watchings.
I will say that it changes the whole "tone" of the great war when you KNOW what the Vorlons game was ahead of time, and look beyond them (deliberately) playing on cultural mythos to elevate themselves in the opinion of the younger races...
Tends to leave one pretty pissed at them, not that the Shadows are all so much better, but at least they leave alone till they feel threatened, at which point they tend to lean toward the "Ender Wiggin" defense - scorched earth covered by dust and ashes, and ZERO chance of said opponent ever getting a second bite.
Both races are based on Jungian concepts anyways, and the Trickster (Morden, in this case) is a Shadow concept to begin with - one reason I always found it so interesting, cause they did their homework on the series.
So go on, and look past the physical appearances, at the actions of the parties involved once you know their reasons, and see if you can manage to *not* despise the Vorlons...
Cause I certainly couldn't.
-F
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Actually, imma expound on that some more...
(slow night at work, here.)
One of the reasons I like Morden is cause of my assertion that one of the cruelest, meanest things you can do to a person is find out what their hearts desire is, find out what they really WANT, and then...
GIVE IT TO THEM!, give it to em good and hard!
Which is, you think about it, exactly what Morden does.
Key to dealin with that isn't just standing your ground like Vyr did, that only works when you're not important enough to take an interest in, nooo, what you do, is do a couple favors for THEM, unasked, just bein polite, etc etc...
And you never, EVER let them balance the scales - the way their logic works this actively prevents them from cooking up any justification to do unto you, and boy oh boy will they SEETHE, they will hate you for this, while being the very example of politeness and tact, outwardly.
But yeah, they will HATE you, kinda like the cute girl/boy in school whos sexual advances you blew off cause you knew they had nasty ulterior motives, if you had done so after dinner, a movie and a really pleasant evening.
Schemers can't stand having their plans bollixed like that.
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Also, wanna make it clear what my viewpoint on the other thing was.
I see the Vorlons as downright bad guys, and the Shadows as angry, nasty, seriously provoked neutrals, and here's why.
They were set to watch and protect, not to interfere beyond perhaps subtle and indirect guidance, only if necessary.
The Vorlons *immediately* broke that agreement, before the ink was even dry, kinda like a certain country regarding settlement agreements...
And while playin on cultural and psychological exploitation, they did NOT wish to elevate the other species, but rather to keep them "in their place" as subservient and easy to control - this is made clear beyond doubt when an opportunity that might bring them closer to Vorlons in advancement becomes potentially available and the Vorlons IMMEDIATELY destroy it, with the usual "not ready" line of crap, cause they didn't want the younger races ever being a threat to their dominance.
Now bear in mind, that from the very outset, their fundamental intention was to commit Xenocide against another species simply because their mere existence was a threat to that dominance.
Seriously, pretense of noble intentions be damned, their own behavior condemns them utterly, especially as even *after* the cessation of hostilities, Kosh's pet sleeper agent (Lyta) blows up the Shadow homeworld - something Sheridan calls her on.
I think it's a tremendous credit to the quality of the writing and skill of the writers that they carry it off so perfectly as intended, cause on the first viewing, knowing none of this and limited only to the perspective of the characters within the story, the Vorlons come off as somewhat put-upon good guys trying to "protect us from ourselves"...
It's only on the second or third watching, when you know what their intentions are in advance that they start coming across like the complete bastards they really are.
Conversely, the Shadows - look how much vilification and provocation they put up with for quite some time, and when they did act, their initial response was observation, in order to make sure they were facing a realistic threat, and in keeping with the low profile of the agreement despite the Vorlons having broken it at every turn and corner.
Then they chose the indirect route of espionage, sabotage and manipulation, mostly directed at trying to expose the Vorlons and their chicanery to the younger races without getting their hands dirty or sticking their neck out.
Then when it came clear that wasn't going to work, and they perceived that the younger races, with the possible exception of the Centauri, were corrupted beyond saving, the next order of business was standard operating procedure for the mindset - depriving the Vorlons of their cannon fodder in order to force them to take the field themselves.
Which they did, ripping of
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