School used laptop webcams to spy on kids at home

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Originally posted by Kwicko:
Why, "Hero", that sounds almost as preposterous as the "Obama is a socialist" crazytalk your boys have been throwing around at CPAC and elsewhere!

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Obama is not a socialist...his policies are socialist, but he is merely a liberal intellectual elitist who is proving to be politically and professionally out of his depth.

Thats why so little real leadership and policy direction has come out of the White House in the last year. He takes months to make some decisions, others he makes far too quickly and in both cases his decisions are bad ones forcing course corrections, spin, and backstepping while all along denying any negative results or failed expectations.

But I think Beck reads too much conspiracy into incompetence and bad leadership.

I think Obama has good intentions and positive goals and does not understand how to implement policy or why people are upset with him. This leads to the reactionary and defensive thinking demonstrated time and again by the White House.

This is a sharp contrast to the Bush administration that took decisive action and lead the nations policy, both foriegn and domestic from a frontline position. While not always the correct action or successful and too often mired in a 'stay the course' mentality...it had the advantage of consistant policy and leading from the front thinking that people could always rely on for a stability that is lacking in the present administration (to his credit Clinton was the same way, although his tendency was to follow the polls, but at least he could stay out front of the issues). While I would encourage Obama to take a more central leadership role, such as he did this week by releasing his own health care plan (although like the other two Democrat plans it is a national disaster in the making), he should have released his own plan months ago instead of allowing the Congress to take the lead. Same is true of the Stimulas plan, which was a Pelosi boondoggle. He also should have buckled down and made a decision on Afganistan in a week or two rather then months later.

I think regardless of whether these things had met immediate success, people would have respected the leadership and his poll numbers would have been slower coming down. They elected Obama to lead, not to wallow...er...follow.

H

"Hero. I have come to respect you." "I am forced to agree with Hero here."- Chrisisall, 2009.

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Originally posted by Fremdfirma:

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Originally posted by Storymark:
Which is generally spelled out in the agreement they sign to use the computers. Boo-effin-hoo.

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An agreement under duress which is legally invalid for the same reason that allows shitheels to get away with these kind of abuses - cause they're not legally adults, nor are they, or anyone else, allowed to sign away their human rights.

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No shit sherlock - that's why the parents sign the forms. The parents then have an obligation to.... parent! If they don't and the kids break the rules associated with the FREE COMPUTER - then there are consequences.


They're getting a free computer out of it. Again, boo-fuckin-hoo.

Should they be watched without cause - no. But that doesn't mean they should get free reign to do whatever they like with the equipment.

And your GUARANTEE (about an assumption, no less) means absolutely didly. Less than, really. It's just paranoid raving.... which granted, is your forte.

"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."

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Originally posted by piratenews:

Kids are below the age of consent to contracts. Contract Law 101.

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But their parents are not, so your point is moot.

I should have known I would have to spell out such a simple concept.

"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."

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Ok, you wanna be a dick, fine.

Firstoff, you *can not* sign away a Constitutional Right, did you happen to forget that little bit about "Supreme Law of the Land" ?

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Electronic Frontier Foundation Chief Council Kevin Bankston:"private schools or employers can ask you to sign away your right to privacy, but not a government entity like a public school. “To condition one’s receipt of government benefits on your surrendering a constitutional right is itself unconstitutional.”

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Secondly, there's no "agreement" about it - you either take the deal, or your kid gets failed in the classes requiring the machine, that's not exactly a free-will agreement, that's a direct and extortive order cloaked in the illusion of an agreement.

I remember an elementary school that Vicky's kids went to playing games like that over an intended uniform policy which had more to do with kickbacks from the manufacture and distributor than any real necessity - the bastards sent a survey with two choices on it.

( ) Yes, I want school uniforms.
( ) No, I do not want school uniforms at this time.

EXACTLY that kind of scammery, which schools engage in on a regular basis - cause had that been allowed to pass unchallenged, no matter WHAT the parents responded, the school could, and would, turn around and say a "Majority of parents support the idea" (without saying "but not now") - as it went, some of parents took *issue* with trying to game them that way and had the administrator called on the carpet, but just because they PRETEND it's a choice doesn't mean it is.

And third, the machine is NOT free, it's coming out of the tax dollars of the very people who's children are using it, so essentially THEY paid for it, that's as much a sham as getting a "FREE" MP3 player (worth $49.99) for a "Registration Fee" of $99.99 - it's bullshit.

Also bullshit is the "only to track those which were reported lost or stolen" line of crap, which is OBVIOUSLY a lie because the Laptop assigned to Blake Robbins was not, and never had been, reported lost or stolen, therefore the excuse itself falls flat - beyond which, the fact that they chose to actively attempt to discipline Robbins for what they percieved as improper behavior *IN HIS OWN HOME* brings their whole motive fully into question.

And the record shows that the school superintendent used the schools public address system to make false and disparaging statements regarding the case and Robbins family, compounding the abuse of power and percieved authority even when it was proven beyond doubt that Robbins had done nothing wrong and his family had appropriate cause to be irate about the situation.

Despite the school officials lying through their teeth, getting caught doing so, and continuing this behavior, it took a federal judge (U.S. District Court Judge Jan DuBois) to issue a court order to forestall continuation of this behavior, not only the spying, but also misusing school resources and perceived authority to propagandize to students who constitute a captive audience - and you're going to sit here and tell me that's not over the top, when there is a distinct possibility of CRIMINAL charges in this matter ?

And frankly, I am sick of enablers like you trying to justify this kind of behavior cause it inevitably results in a hostile society with everyone at each others throats, bit by bit, primarily because useful idiots like you gobble up the shoveljob with a big grin (prolly why they call it a shit-eating grin) and flame away at anyone who actually has the nerve to call down logic, reason and those pesky facts upon the snowjob.

As for my Guarantees, what YOU make of em is up to you, but the evidence is against your proposition there cause when I throw my word behind something it's a damned solid bet, as many issues we've discussed in RWED have proven out, despite all the pissing and whining from scumbag jackboot lickers like you.

Now either come up with a valid point beyond sycophantic boot slobbering of perceived authority no matter how illegitimat

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But that doesn't mean they should get free reign to do whatever they like with the equipment.

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I'd say that goes for the school board, as well.


How's about this idea, Story:

We set up webcams to spy on everyone who has access to the "spycam" feeds off these laptop computers. And anyone caught spying on kids without cause (and a damn warrant, while we're at it), gets to go look for a new job. And if they're caught watching kids undressing or anything like that, they get to register as a sex offender on their way out the door.

Sound fair?

Mike

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