Cheney Suffers Heart Attack Number Five
POSTED BY: Kwicko
UPDATED: Saturday, February 27, 2010 20:31
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Originally posted by Hero:Quote:
Originally posted by chrisisall:
We don't have to be mean....
Actually most people around here do have to be mean.
Its part of their ideological makeup.
They don't see it as being mean because to them Cheney is not a real person deserving of compassion. He is the hated opposition, less then human and therefore anything is acceptable.
I reserve my real hatred for the likes of Bin Ladden and much as I hate Bin Ladden and would like to see him suffer, were his fate in my hands I would give him the reasonable care and good treatment required of us by both the Constitution and our basic humanity.
I suspect were Cheney in the hands of the people of this board...he would not be as well taken care of because in the crazytalker mindset, basic humanity does not apply and the Constitution is for people they agree with or like.
That said making a little fun of someone is natural and normal...its the genuine feelings of hate and wishes for misfortune that are inappropriate.
H
"Hero. I have come to respect you." "I am forced to agree with Hero here."- Chrisisall, 2009.
Aren't you one of the ones cheerleading torture of people simply on the basis of them not having any constitutional rights?
Many celebrated the murder of Saddam, many more would celebrate the murder of Bin Laden (I don't know who "Bin Ladden" is; maybe you could enlighten us). Are they not husbands, brothers, sons, and fathers as well?
Seems you're one of the principal ones who enjoys the murder and mistreatment of those "others" with whom you disagree, "Hero". Hell, you've as much as admitted that you do it yourself, whenever given the chance in a court of law.
Mike
Work is the curse of the Drinking Class.
- Oscar Wilde
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Okay, I'm catching on. I'm starting to save stuff, beginning with "Ro"s last comment; be forewarned Ro (I refuse to call you "Hero", you are too far from one), it's in the 'file' so the next time you contradict yourself...
Neither I nor anyone else here (with a couple of possible exceptions) would probably do the man any actual harm, you know that, you're just taking advantage of the moment to slur others.
As to Cheney, it's human to let one's frustrations out, when one has felt helpless to change the situation. In this case, something has done it for us, and tho' I'm sure he hasn't suffered much (darn it!), it's natural to take some satisfaction in, if nothing else, him being shut up for a little while.
Chris, I agree to a point, but I see nothing wrong in letting us voice our feelings about someone who has been truly evil and has harmed so many deliberately and for no reason. I certainly wouldn't do the same for Dumbya, I think he's just misguided and maybe dumb, but this man is deliberately "bad". I don't know what made him this way, or Bin Laden or any mass murderer, and if I were physically responsible, I too would do the right thing by him. Nonetheless, whether my karma comes back to bite me in the butt or not, I don't feel too bad about voicing my feelings.
Frem, you're absolutely right: It's not possible to have an "attack" on something you don't have in the first place.
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Quote:Sorry, but I don't see much difference between Bin Laden & Cheney.
Originally posted by Hero:
I reserve my real hatred for the likes of Bin Ladden
The fact that you do is most disturbing.
But, you is what you is...
The laughing Chrisisall
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I agree. Scary. Sad. On the other hand, in many respects I DON'T see a difference. Something made them what they are, and given different circumstances, influences and experiences, they'd be different people. If we could only see past their words and actions...
It's saddens me that people can't see there's a reason why people are the way they are...I don't hold that there are REALLY any "evil" people, not even mass murderers; we're all a product of our biology, childhood and other influences, etc. Yes, there are people whose mental wiring is such that it goes beyond that and people have to be protected from them, but to be unable to see the humanity in all is a detriment. It narrows our world, and makes the "us v. them" mentality and de-humanizing of others all too easy.
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Quote:If only we could SURVIVE past their words & actions, ya mean.
Originally posted by Niki2:
If we could only see past their words and actions...
The laughing Chrisisall
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I don't like Cheney. In fact, I think he has done horrible things, things for his own selfish gain and he has deluded himself into thinking it's for the good of America as a whole. I would like to see justice visited upon him.
Not waterboarding, because two wrongs don't make a right. I have trouble with the ethics of imprisonment or capital punishment for the same reason. But I have such bias against him that I would not trust myself to carry out punishment.
If I wanted to be perfectly and completely fair considering how angry I get with Cheney and what I'd LIKE to do sometimes, Exile is more than good enough. Stick him on a boat, water tight and reasonably comfortable, with electricity, AC and/or heating, with a bed and toiletries. Give him a fishing pole and bait box. Give him a gun for any situations that might come up, or if his existence becomes too miserable. And tell him to get the hell off our land. Tell him if he ever sets foot on soil, ANY soil, of ANY nation, that he will be shot with no discrimination on sight.
This is how much I am DONE with Dick Cheney.
That said, a heart attack isn't justice. A heart attack is something very close to human mortality and the end of life, something we all must face, and something we all must feel some empathy for. So I did not, and WILL NOT join in all the jokes here.
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Chris: Yes, that too. But in individual dealings, if we could just always see the humanity FIRST, our opinions and how we act would be improved, I believe.
Byte: Fair enough. Everyone has to decide for themselves. Given the jokes are harmless, I don't mind engaging. Otherwise, you're right.
I don't see exile as working. The world is too complex and he's still got friends (weird as that seems!); someone would help him...besides, the cost of watching him to make sure he never came ashore isn't worth it.
Me, I'm for imprisonment, somewhere he can do no more harm--maybe Gitmo? I have a certain amount of pity for the man; I am convinced he BELIEVES the things he says and does, but as we know, people with power who think only they know what is right for others are the most dangerous of all! Somehow I have no doubt he will still have influence, if not on this administration, on some future one, and THAT scares the hell out of me!
Beyond that, I would just like UNCHANGEABLE history to record him as he is, for what he's done and what he's said. That would be punishment enough, sorta; he may not care what the populace thinks of him, but I think he'd not like seeing everything out there, disproven and judged, for all history.
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Quote:True, however warped he might be, he is still a human being (wow that was harder to type than I'd imagined...).
Originally posted by Niki2:
in individual dealings, if we could just always see the humanity FIRST, our opinions and how we act would be improved, I believe.
The laughing Chrisisall
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He may be a human being, but as I've pointed out before, Hitler was a human being, too. So was Saddam. So was Pol Pot. Tim McVeigh was absolutely human, and served his military with more distinction than did Cheney.
That said, I wouldn't shed a single tear for ANY of them. I don't suddenly forgive and forget someone's evil deeds the day they get sick or die.
Mike
Work is the curse of the Drinking Class.
- Oscar Wilde
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Yeah, Chris, I had a hard time writing that too! It's really hard with some to remember their humanity, but I think it's vital that we do so.
No, Mike, it's not about forgiving and forgetting at all. What they DO can be evil as hell, it's just about remembering they're human, too, and subject to all the kinds of things that made US who we are, too.
Doesn't mean DO anything, doesn't mean forgiving the horrible things they do, just means keeping in mind that they're human. If we could just all remember that, it would make a major change in humanity...we would still fight against them, but we wouldn't be as quick to de-humanize them. At least that's what I believe.
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