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Tuesday, February 16, 2010 7:21 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by mincingbeast:
Why does the fact that Israel, Pakistan, Russia, and India have nukes make Iran's nuclear ambitions less threatening? I lean heavily to the left, but I don't really like the idea of a repressive theocracy that has promised to destroy its neighbors, and eagerly anticipates the end times, having nukes.




I think you have Iran confused with George W. Bush.

Of the two, one of them believes in science. (Hint: It isn't Bush)

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Tuesday, February 16, 2010 7:56 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by mincingbeast:
Why does the fact that Israel, Pakistan, Russia, and India have nukes make Iran's nuclear ambitions less threatening? I lean heavily to the left, but I don't really like the idea of a repressive theocracy that has promised to destroy its neighbors, and eagerly anticipates the end times, having nukes.




In another thread we were discussing how Iran, despite its problems is more progressive that almost any of its neighbors, INCLUDING ALL of the US aligned countrys...

In the top post, it showed how Cheney and Rumsfeld tried to broker a deal for the US to sell Iran dozens of reactors under the oppressive Shah, but now lead the freak out against the semi democratic Iran...

BTW where " has promised to destroy its neighbors, and eagerly anticipates the end times "

Bush was more the end times guy, like Kwicko said...

Iran has not started any wars, but have been attacked with US backing in the decade long Iran / Iraq war...

who is threatening who ?



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Tuesday, February 16, 2010 8:13 PM

I think he's heard that old line about "wipe Israel off the map" - a line which has been roundly and soundly debunked, because Ahmedinejad never said it. What he actually SAID was that in time Israel would be forgotten in the dust of history.

And it looks like the WRONG translation came from... Israel.

Surprise surprise.

Mike

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Tuesday, February 16, 2010 8:15 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by mincingbeast:
Why does the fact that Israel, Pakistan, Russia, and India have nukes make Iran's nuclear ambitions less threatening? I lean heavily to the left, but I don't really like the idea of a repressive theocracy that has promised to destroy its neighbors, and eagerly anticipates the end times, having nukes.




There has been a lot of PR spin to Iran wanting to destroy its neighbors.

Here is an article explaining in detail what they really said and the context in what it was said.

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article12790.htm

Edit: I see Kwicko beat me to the punch on this one.

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Tuesday, February 16, 2010 8:54 PM

I have read, and could find cites if anyone is interested

that Ahmadinejad doesn't want to wipe out Israels Jewish population, he wants to not have a Jewish state, but instead a state where one group doesn't dominate or control the rest of the population...

More of a one state solution, than the two state favored by the US ( which doesn't seem like it will ever work )


where is Wulf to attack the "Propaganda Storm" all over this topic, lol







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Tuesday, February 16, 2010 9:02 PM


Anyone stupid enough to accept MEMRI's so-called "translations" without three crosschecks isn't gonna give one ounce of credence to stuff like pesky facts anyways, folks.

Allowing MEMRI to translate for middle eastern countries is like letting joseph goebbels translate Russian TV broadcasts in the 1940's...

Seriously, they're like the Baghdad Bob of translators, everyone prettymuch KNOWS this, so if someone is putting forth a MEMRI translation, they're doing so deliberately and for reasons having nothing to do with accuracy.

-F

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Tuesday, February 16, 2010 9:19 PM

I don't trust ANYONE with nukes, why should I trust Iran?

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Tuesday, February 16, 2010 9:26 PM

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Originally posted by pizmobeach:
I don't trust ANYONE with nukes, why should I trust Iran?

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But if you were surrounded by countrys with nukes,

and you had a pair with the record of Israel and the US making daily threats against you... ( and that hostility predates the nuke power program )

Would you not want to protect yourself ?


The best solution would be Pakistan, India, and Israel giving theirs up and the US getting out of the region... but that likely will not happen...

what do you do ?




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Tuesday, February 16, 2010 9:32 PM

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Originally posted by Littlebird:

Edit: I see Kwicko beat me to the punch on this one.




No worries, Birdie, and good looking out. :) The more people who know this stuff, the better.

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Tuesday, February 16, 2010 9:39 PM

Here is todays statement

"

Iran's president has said insisted that a UN-drafted uranium exchange deal remains a possibility with talks on the proposal "not yet closed".

Speaking in Tehran on Tuesday, Mahmoud Ahmadinjad dismissed the assertions of the United States and its allies that the plan was effectively dead after Iran had begun the process of further enriching uranium to 20 per cent.

"We have already announced that we are ready for a fuel exchange within a fair framework," Ahmadinejad said during the televised news conference.

"We are still ready for an exchange, even with America," he said. "

The hangup is the US wants Iran to hand over its Uranium, which would be made into fuel rods and given back sometime down the road.

Iran, with little reason to trust the US, wants Fuel Rods exchanged one for one at the same time for its Uranium. As I can picture the US finding all sorts of reasons to take Irans Uranium and walking away for the deal afterward, I think its a reasonable position.


This part cracks me up

Ahmadinejad's comments came on the same day that Hillary Clinton, the US secretary of state, warned that if Iran gets a nuclear weapon it could trigger a nuclear arms race in the Middle East.

Speaking to students at Dar el-Hekma women's college in the Red Sea port of Jeddah, she rejected Iran's insistence that it is not producing a nuclear bomb, saying: "the evidence doesn't support that".

However, when asked by a student why Israel did not have to give up its nuclear weapons, Clinton did not respond "

What did we say about double standards...


http://english.aljazeera.net/news/middleeast/2010/02/20102161317475763
64.html





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