joss wheddon meeting with FX about new projects.

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STORYMARK

Wednesday, February 10, 2010 11:23 PM

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Originally posted by Zeek:
I'm not going to go waste my time researching the number of scifi shows on the air at the time firefly was being considered. It's a waste of time. I don't even think it was a big consideration in the network's mind to begin with. The evidence I provided is Fox was the first network to have a chance to air Firefly and they took it. When you go 1 out of 1 that's very strong odds. Nothing you've said suggests that the very next studio to get a chance at "a new Joss Whedon show" would have passed.

I never said it proves it, no. But suggest - yes it does, by precedent. Which is not concrete, as I've said - but it's still more than your say-so.

Sorry if the notion of doing a little research vexes you so (took me all of 3 minutes and google, but whatever) - but it doesn't change the fact that I at least presented facts to back my opinion - and all you did was cite your opinion to back your opinion.

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So, if you're not convinced your opinion is the only correct one are you saying that's it perfectly valid for a person to believe that Firefly would have been picked up if Fox had passed on it?

I already said it wasn't impossible - just unlikely based on known factors.

So, yes, it's possible, just as it's possible that it could come back as a show next season. - It's just not very likely. Which I keep saying....

So, flip side - can you admit that just maybe, based on all the trends and evidence, that no-one else would have picked it up?

"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."

ZEEK

Thursday, February 11, 2010 3:21 PM

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Originally posted by Storymark:
So, flip side - can you admit that just maybe, based on all the trends and evidence, that no-one else would have picked it up?

Yes, it's possible. Just incredibly unlikely. We saw one network interpret the trends and they interpreted them the exact opposite of what you're suggesting. It's possible all the other networks would interpret the trends differently. It's just not likely.

STORYMARK

Thursday, February 11, 2010 5:26 PM

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Originally posted by Zeek:

Yes, it's possible. Just incredibly unlikely.

Based on what evidence????

I keep providing evidence, and you keep just giving your say-so. Hardly convincing.

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We saw one network interpret the trends and they interpreted them the exact opposite of what you're suggesting.

Except that the trends I was discussing don't apply in the same way to FOX. Because, as has been pointed out - Fox has always been more willing to try genre shows. Yes, most get cancelled quickly, but they have launched far more genre shows - specifically scifi shows (including space-based ones), than any other channel - network or cable - save the SciFi/Syfy channel (and even then it's close as Fox runs more original programming).

So, to say their decision displays the opposite of my conclusion is ill-informed at best.

So, again - what are you basing your analysis on? You have provided no examples (partially because you are too lazy to look - by your own admission, and partially I'd wager - because you don't HAVE any real evidence to back your position) other than to completely misinterpret those I have given.

So, based on WHAT exactly????

Oh, never mind - the answer is already clear. It's based on nothing but how much you love the show. And I love it too, but that doesn't make me oblivious to the trends and evidence that is available.

"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."

OPPYH

Thursday, February 11, 2010 6:34 PM

I'll say one thing:

If Firefly were a first run syndicated show(Hercules, Xena) we wouldn't be having this conversation. It would have lasted 7 seasons easy.
But pride equals into it, and If Joss didn't think he could have made the show for less than $2.5 million an episode, then he probably couldn't have.
I however, tend to think the story, and characters would have outshined the lacking production value.
Agree?

BYTEMITE

Thursday, February 11, 2010 6:58 PM

Hell, any possibility of a reboot (internet?), made with not much money but a shining production cast and crew is what's keeping MY hopes alive.

STORYMARK

Friday, February 12, 2010 12:46 AM

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Originally posted by OPPYH:

If Firefly were a first run syndicated show(Hercules, Xena) we wouldn't be having this conversation. It would have lasted 7 seasons easy.

Oh, how that would have rocked....

And yeah, I think it would have risen above it's production values, much like say, Babylon 5.

Too bad the first run syndication market is all but dead. I think Legend of the Seeker is about it, and there were a few years there with none at all (at least in terms of hour long dramas).

Most of the shows I loved growing up were done for the syndication market. I miss those days.

"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."

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