Serenity in 3D

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PIRATENEWS

Friday, February 5, 2010 7:27 PM

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Originally posted by Storymark:

Yes, it's possible to rotocope out the elements yourself - but to do it well, will take hundreds if not thousands of hours. Good luck with that.

That's why God made Koreans.

OUT2THEBLACK

Friday, February 5, 2010 7:44 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by piratenews:
Quote:
Originally posted by Storymark:

Yes, it's possible to rotocope out the elements yourself - but to do it well, will take hundreds if not thousands of hours. Good luck with that.

That's why God made Koreans.

The only Folk who make the Japanese look lazy...

STORYMARK

Friday, February 5, 2010 7:48 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by out2theblack:
Quote:
Originally posted by Storymark:
That software is not the original meaning of rotoscoping - I was speaking of cutting the elements out, frame by frame. Yes, it's possible to rotocope out the elements yourself - but to do it well, will take hundreds if not thousands of hours. Good luck with that. AND, it still doesn't fill in the background behind the foreground elements.

That 3D model would do be do-able, since you have full control over all elements. but the full film - sure, if you want to dedicate a shitload of time to something that will turn out "okay" at the very best. The fact that you think you can do this and make it true 3D is hilarious. Again - there's a reason the process costs a lot - it takes a lot of work.

But why I am surprised that our resident crazy person has a thin grasp on the possible.

Well , not SO crazy , permaybehaps...Unless Toshiba scientists also possess a thin grasp , and are also able to sell it :

http://portal.acm.org/citation.cfm?id=1186414&dl=GUIDE&coll=GUIDE&CFID
=74949420&CFTOKEN=48620159

http://play.tm/wire/3162903/toshiba-cell-tvs-claim-real-time-2d-to-3d-
conversion/

' CES 2010 Toshiba today heralded its Cell TV - the first telly to be powered by a processor cut from the same cloth as the chip in the PlayStation 3 - as "the future of TV". Alas, that future's too far off for the company to provide practical details like pricing. The company did indicate, however, that when Cell TV does arrive, it'll be a premium product.

Quoting figures showing that, recession notwithstanding, punters paid more for the biggest screens than they did in 2008 - the prices of smaller sets plunged - Scott Ramirez, Toshiba America Consumer Products marketing chief tacitly indicated that top-end tellies like Cell TV won't come cheap.

Toshiba's Cell TV: will not be cheap

Whatever the price, buyers will get a choice of two models: the flagship 55in and 65in ZX900, and a lesser alternative starting at 46in. Focusing on the former, Toshiba said it will contain a 3.2GHz Cell chip with eight cores, all used to render standard definition content in HD with some very smart pixel generation that yields an image virtually indistinguishable from genuine 1080p material, Toshiba claimed.

The same tech will be used to remove compression artefacts from online-sourced content before it to is upscaled.

Cell can also take any 2D content and convert it on the fly to stereoscopic 3D, for which you'll need a pair of active-shutter specs.'

http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2010/01/06/ces_toshiba_cell_tv_intro/

No, it seems you don't understand, because those links don't have anything to do with what I'm saying. Yes, there's going to be 3D capable home systems, at a very high price for the first few years.

This has nothing to do with PN self-converting a 2D film to 3D useing consumer software.

If the cell can do it - which they have yet to demo, so I'm not sold - it's still going to be something driven by new tech, and not done with that goofy color filter PN is going on about.

"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."

OUT2THEBLACK

Friday, February 5, 2010 8:01 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Storymark:
Quote:
Originally posted by out2theblack:
Quote:
Originally posted by Storymark:
That software is not the original meaning of rotoscoping - I was speaking of cutting the elements out, frame by frame. Yes, it's possible to rotocope out the elements yourself - but to do it well, will take hundreds if not thousands of hours. Good luck with that. AND, it still doesn't fill in the background behind the foreground elements.

That 3D model would do be do-able, since you have full control over all elements. but the full film - sure, if you want to dedicate a shitload of time to something that will turn out "okay" at the very best. The fact that you think you can do this and make it true 3D is hilarious. Again - there's a reason the process costs a lot - it takes a lot of work.

But why I am surprised that our resident crazy person has a thin grasp on the possible.

Well , not SO crazy , permaybehaps...Unless Toshiba scientists also possess a thin grasp , and are also able to sell it :

http://portal.acm.org/citation.cfm?id=1186414&dl=GUIDE&coll=GUIDE&CFID
=74949420&CFTOKEN=48620159

http://play.tm/wire/3162903/toshiba-cell-tvs-claim-real-time-2d-to-3d-
conversion/

' CES 2010 Toshiba today heralded its Cell TV - the first telly to be powered by a processor cut from the same cloth as the chip in the PlayStation 3 - as "the future of TV". Alas, that future's too far off for the company to provide practical details like pricing. The company did indicate, however, that when Cell TV does arrive, it'll be a premium product.

Quoting figures showing that, recession notwithstanding, punters paid more for the biggest screens than they did in 2008 - the prices of smaller sets plunged - Scott Ramirez, Toshiba America Consumer Products marketing chief tacitly indicated that top-end tellies like Cell TV won't come cheap.

Toshiba's Cell TV: will not be cheap

Whatever the price, buyers will get a choice of two models: the flagship 55in and 65in ZX900, and a lesser alternative starting at 46in. Focusing on the former, Toshiba said it will contain a 3.2GHz Cell chip with eight cores, all used to render standard definition content in HD with some very smart pixel generation that yields an image virtually indistinguishable from genuine 1080p material, Toshiba claimed.

The same tech will be used to remove compression artefacts from online-sourced content before it to is upscaled.

Cell can also take any 2D content and convert it on the fly to stereoscopic 3D, for which you'll need a pair of active-shutter specs.'

http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2010/01/06/ces_toshiba_cell_tv_intro/

No, it seems you don't understand, because those links don't have anything to do with what I'm saying. Yes, there's going to be 3D capable home systems...

This has nothing to do with PN self-converting a 2D film to 3D useing consumer software.

If the cell can do it - which they have yet to demo, so I'm not sold - it's still going to be something driven by new tech, and not done with that goofy color filter PN is going on about.

Maybe you should go back and read the links , in that case...Since the CES 2010 , there's been a lot written about the Toshiba Cell technology , which is apparently capable of realtime 2D to 3D renders...

Point being , in any case , that a 3D version of Serenity is possible , if someone wants to spend either the time or the coin...

STORYMARK

Friday, February 5, 2010 9:05 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by out2theblack:

Maybe you should go back and read the links , in that case...Since the CES 2010 , there's been a lot written about the Toshiba Cell technology , which is apparently capable of realtime 2D to 3D renders...

Point being , in any case , that a 3D version of Serenity is possible , if someone wants to spend either the time or the coin...

Jeez.... did YOU read what I wrote?

I didn't dispute ANY of that. For Christ's sake, man, how many times do I have to tell you I'm talking about the FX plug-in PN started this with???

Which is, since this seems to be inexplicably difficult - NOT the same as the Toshiba Cell. Can you grasp that??

READ next time, rather than assuming you know what I'm saying. I never said it was impossible to convert to 3D - just that that software wouldn't do a very good job of it.

And when it comes to the Toshiba cell, as I said, it remains to be seen how well the process works. Sure, they claim it'll convert 2D images to 3D, but they have yet to demo it - and there is the matter of how WELL it accomplishes the task. Or are you now going to tell me that every single claim in a press release for technology they're still developing will be 100% accurate?

"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."

OUT2THEBLACK

Friday, February 5, 2010 9:26 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Storymark:

Jeez.... did YOU read what I wrote?

I didn't dispute ANY of that. For Christ's sake, man, how many times do I have to tell you I'm talking about the FX plug-in PN started this with???

Which is, since this seems to be inexplicably difficult - NOT the same as the Toshiba Cell. Can you grasp that??

READ next time, rather than assuming you know what I'm saying...

And when it comes to the Toshiba cell, as I said, it remains to be seen how well the process works. Sure, they claim it'll convert 2D images to 3D, but they have yet to demo it - and there is the matter of how WELL it accomplishes the task. Or are you now going to tell me that every single claim in a press release for technology they're still developing will be 100% accurate?

Apparently , no one should presume to know what you're saying...Mayhaps not even yourself...

Here's a vid that's over 2 years old , whereby the Cell processor is demonstrated in a Toshiba television...Admittedly , they're not showcasing the 3D upconvert at that particular juncture , but who'd know better what the processor might do , being that they were co-creators of it ?

'Course they wouldn't show all their cards at once...That would be a tactical error versus their competition .

Here's a more-current video from CES 2010 :

http://video.aol.co.uk/video-detail/etc-plus-toshiba-cell-tv-ces-inter
view-consumer-electronics-show/3406920071

If they weren't confident of their product being able to do what they claim , it's doubtful they'd be quite so public about it already...

PIZMOBEACH

Friday, February 5, 2010 10:38 PM

True 3D is about more than just planes of depth, it's about merging images shot from 2 separate angles a few degrees apart (whatever our eyes are apart). You need that difference or it's just 2D times 2. That's why 3D cameras have dual lenses.

If it wasn't shot this way then it can really get you 3D, only a facsimile.

With Avatar's success "3D" has become marketing gold, just say "3D" and people swarm without really looking at what it means. Really can't get away from the geometry of it.

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CHRISISALL

Saturday, February 6, 2010 5:09 AM

What does 3D mean to Snake Plissken?

The laughing Chrisisall

PIRATENEWS

Saturday, February 6, 2010 6:58 AM

I ordered my hi-tek paper 3D glasses today.

That is all.

OUT2THEBLACK

Saturday, February 6, 2010 8:50 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by pizmobeach:
True 3D is about more than just planes of depth, it's about merging images shot from 2 separate angles a few degrees apart (whatever our eyes are apart). You need that difference or it's just 2D times 2. That's why 3D cameras have dual lenses.

If it wasn't shot this way then it can really get you 3D, only a facsimile.

Could be that the facsimile is 'good enough' for most purposes , if I take you to mean what I think you mean...

That would mean simulating 'merging images shot from 2 separate angles a few degrees apart' .

For many perceptual issues , a reasonable facsimile is 'good enough' .

One of the things Douglas Trumbull discovered about frame rates is that an increased refresh enhances the perception of 'realism' . At one time he had created a process that he called 'Showscan' , IIRC...Ok , here it is on wiki : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Showscan
http://www.showscan.com/

He really should get more credit , now that there are new televisions with refresh rates many times greater than the older technology allowed .

By the way , I saw the price tag on one of those 3D HD camcorders recently...

$ 21,000 !

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