Serenity in 3D

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PIRATENEWS

Thursday, February 4, 2010 1:41 AM

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Originally posted by boris:
I was just thinking the other day after seeing Avatar. Imagine Serenity in 3D...god how cool! Apologies If I'm not the first to post this sentiment.

http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.asp?b=2&t=41697

Good idea!

It might be possible to make your own DIY video of Serenity in 3D.

A color filter in most video editing software allows one-click or multi layers of desaturated color replaced with red or green color, then the 2 color layers shifted slightly to give the 3D effect. Any generic 3D glasses could be worn to view the modified movie.

Or it would just be really frakked up, with EVERYTHING jumping out of the screen, causing epileptic seizure.

How to Make 3D Movies
http://www.ehow.com/video_4755772_make-3d-movies.html
http://www.5min.com/Video/4-Minute-Film-School---Make-a-3D-Movie-19141
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Firefly Pro Fanvids
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3-D 'Ghost In The Shell' Film?
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PHYRELIGHT

Thursday, February 4, 2010 2:45 AM

Yes, but I would also add a side of caution: manipulating the film like that is a copywrite infringment.

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PIRATENEWS

Thursday, February 4, 2010 5:53 AM

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Originally posted by PhyreLight:

Yes, but I would also add a side of caution: manipulating the film like that is a copywrite infringment.

That's half the fun! Copyright infringement built the internets.

PS: It's not copyright infringement to show your friends for free. Even if you have millions of friends. See 17 US Code 107 definition of Fair Use. But of course the Feds have more guns than you have, so The Law and Constitutions don't matter.

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STORYMARK

Thursday, February 4, 2010 5:23 PM

Eh, I've played with the filter, it's really not all that. It's gives a fake impression of dimensionality - sorta. But the software has no way of telling what is supposed to be foreground, and what's supposed to be background. In my opinion, it looks rather crappy.

There's a reason it's costing in the ballpark of 5 million to fully convert at 2D movie to 3D - there's more to it than just colored filters.

"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."

PIRATENEWS

Thursday, February 4, 2010 8:33 PM

Ideally a 3D movie is shot with 2 cameras side-by-side. Spacing is 2 inches for less than 10 feet to the subject, wider spacing for distant objects. Anyone could shoot home movies this way.

Any of the fanvid FF productions could use this system for less than $1,000 total price of 2 handheld HD videocams mounted on a single tripod or portable rig.

CGI must be re-rendered, with POV shifted on the 2nd virtual "camera", then both layers color-shifted to give an illusion of 3D.

Normal 3D using cyan/red glasses is blurry and fails to show true color.

Polarized glasses do show true color but require a super-expensive movie screen that theaters don't have.

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At Disney World, Universal Studios and other 3-D venues, the preferred method uses polarized lenses because they allow color viewing. Two synchronized projectors project two respective views onto the screen, each with a different polarization. The glasses allow only one of the images into each eye because they contain lenses with different polarization.

http://www.3dglassesonline.com/how-do-3d-glasses-work/

I have no idea how the new 3D HDTVs work, whether a totally new 3D video editing system is required.

STORYMARK

Thursday, February 4, 2010 9:55 PM

That is all correct - but doesn't change what I'm saying. This system separates colors yes, and can push some colors back, while bringing others forward - generally bringing red or warm colors up, and blue or cool colors back. But it cannot simulate the 2 perspectives that true 3D does. So, this system creates a false 3D - which can look convincing depending on the source video. This is helped by the fact that skin tones tend to be warm, and backgrounds tend to be cooler (color temp wise). But it's hardly reliable, and just gives a false impression of depth by that pushing, rather than accurately representing what is closer or farther from the camera.

To convert 2D to real 3D (as has been done with several film, and is currently being done to the new Clash of the Titans), requires the foreground elements to be rotoscoped out of the original frame, and the background painted in behind (digitally of course) to recreate what a 2-camera 3D system would have captured.

As to the new 3D sets and Blu Ray disks, they use larger, heavier bluetooth enabled goggles, which alternately close shutters over each eye, 24/30 times each per second.

"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."

PIRATENEWS

Friday, February 5, 2010 5:34 AM

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Originally posted by Storymark:

To convert 2D to real 3D (as has been done with several film, and is currently being done to the new Clash of the Titans), requires the foreground elements to be rotoscoped out of the original frame, and the background painted in behind (digitally of course) to recreate what a 2-camera 3D system would have captured.

Not a problem...

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http://toonyphotos.com

What is rotoscope?

Rotoscope is a free software rotoscoping application that can be used to give photos a cartoon-like appearance. This is similar to the technique used in movies such as Waking Life and A Scanner Darkly.

http://toonyphotos.com/download.html

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Rotoscoping (often abbreviated as "roto") has often been used as a tool for visual effects in live-action movies. By tracing an object, a silhouette (called a matte) is created that can be used to extract that object from a scene for use on a different background. While blue and green screen techniques have made the process of layering subjects in scenes easier, rotoscoping still plays a large role in the production of visual effects imagery. Rotoscoping in the digital domain is often aided by motion tracking and onion-skinning software. Rotoscoping is often used in the preparation of garbage mattes for other matte-pulling processes.

Rotoscoping has also been used to allow a special visual effect (such as a glow, for example) to be guided by the matte or rotoscoped line. One classic use of traditional rotoscoping was in the original three Star Wars films, where it was used to create the glowing lightsaber effect, by creating a matte based on sticks held by the actors. To achieve this, editors traced a line over each frame with the prop, then enlarged each line and added the glow.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rotoscoping

Adobe After Effects is also a "cheap" rotoscope.

You can rotoscope manually frame-by-frame using Photoshop and filters. It's a bitch at 30 JPGs per second. Example at 6:00:

I'm ordering my free 3D glasses today...

PIRATENEWS

Friday, February 5, 2010 6:30 AM

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A 3D (Anaglyph) video based on my earlier ' Serenity (mini-clip) ' (rough 3D model), should be viewed using a Red-Cyan spectacles.

STORYMARK

Friday, February 5, 2010 6:21 PM

That software is not the original meaning of rotoscoping - I was speaking of cutting the elements out, frame by frame. Yes, it's possible to rotocope out the elements yourself - but to do it well, will take hundreds if not thousands of hours. Good luck with that. AND, it still doesn't fill in the background behind the foreground elements.

That 3D model would do be do-able, since you have full control over all elements. but the full film - sure, if you want to dedicate a shitload of time to something that will turn out "okay" at the very best. The fact that you think you can do this and make it true 3D is hilarious. Again - there's a reason the process costs a lot - it takes a lot of work.

But why I am surprised that our resident crazy person has a thin grasp on the possible.

"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."

OUT2THEBLACK

Friday, February 5, 2010 7:23 PM

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Originally posted by Storymark:
That software is not the original meaning of rotoscoping - I was speaking of cutting the elements out, frame by frame. Yes, it's possible to rotocope out the elements yourself - but to do it well, will take hundreds if not thousands of hours. Good luck with that. AND, it still doesn't fill in the background behind the foreground elements.

That 3D model would do be do-able, since you have full control over all elements. but the full film - sure, if you want to dedicate a shitload of time to something that will turn out "okay" at the very best. The fact that you think you can do this and make it true 3D is hilarious. Again - there's a reason the process costs a lot - it takes a lot of work.

But why I am surprised that our resident crazy person has a thin grasp on the possible.

Well , not SO crazy , permaybehaps...Unless Toshiba scientists also possess a thin grasp , and are also able to sell it :

http://portal.acm.org/citation.cfm?id=1186414&dl=GUIDE&coll=GUIDE&CFID
=74949420&CFTOKEN=48620159

http://play.tm/wire/3162903/toshiba-cell-tvs-claim-real-time-2d-to-3d-
conversion/

' CES 2010 Toshiba today heralded its Cell TV - the first telly to be powered by a processor cut from the same cloth as the chip in the PlayStation 3 - as "the future of TV". Alas, that future's too far off for the company to provide practical details like pricing. The company did indicate, however, that when Cell TV does arrive, it'll be a premium product.

Quoting figures showing that, recession notwithstanding, punters paid more for the biggest screens than they did in 2008 - the prices of smaller sets plunged - Scott Ramirez, Toshiba America Consumer Products marketing chief tacitly indicated that top-end tellies like Cell TV won't come cheap.

Toshiba's Cell TV: will not be cheap

Whatever the price, buyers will get a choice of two models: the flagship 55in and 65in ZX900, and a lesser alternative starting at 46in. Focusing on the former, Toshiba said it will contain a 3.2GHz Cell chip with eight cores, all used to render standard definition content in HD with some very smart pixel generation that yields an image virtually indistinguishable from genuine 1080p material, Toshiba claimed.

The same tech will be used to remove compression artefacts from online-sourced content before it too is upscaled.

Cell can also take any 2D content and convert it on the fly to stereoscopic 3D, for which you'll need a pair of active-shutter specs.'

http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2010/01/06/ces_toshiba_cell_tv_intro/

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