No way will they axe the show
POSTED BY: SadGeezer
UPDATED: Tuesday, November 26, 2002 19:09
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Given it every opportunity??? What planet are you living on? They did nothing to counter months of the negative buzz concerning the "rejected" pilot. They stuck it in one of the worst time slots for a sci-fi show (years of programming data to prove it.) They pre-empted the first 2-3 episodes.
They haven't tried airing it on a better night/time, which they could easily do, and is common practice. How in God's name do you call that "giving it every opportunity"?
I'm sorry, but I just couldn't let the ridiculousness of that statement stand.
Well as much as I dislike the tone of the original poster I had to agree with them:
1. They promoted the show constantly on American Idol (Fox's big "Everyone in the World is watching" show, much like Survivor for CBS).
2. a Factual Correction: They didn't start to preempt the show until something like the fourth week, at least where I live.
3. No one really changes timeslots anymore, and never with one hour dramas (once in an extraordinarily great while you'll see a sitcom change timeslots but never a drama).
4. Please learn to [ /quote ] when you quote (removing the spaces) as trying to read one huge quoted text is a little distracting.
Thank you,
Nathan
"It looks like a great adventure...That's what it is; that's what it feels like. When I saw the pilot, it was really engaging. It was exciting. It was unusual. It threw me off every now and then. I think people will be grabbed by it." - Ron Glass, on the pilot, during an interview with the Indianapolis Star
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Go take a look at Farscape forums where people tried their very best to save it. They got on mainstream new! That's pretty big for a show that has less then Firefly's rating. Now look at Millernate and Psionten's comments. Whether or not you think the show gets canceled is beside the point. You should still try and not get other people depressed with you.
The glass is half empty people are not good to have around when you're trying your best to "will" Fox not to cancel it, as silly as that is.
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ANd is Farscape coming back? I ask this because I've heard a whole lot of nothing regarding that. And if the show doesn't come back then it doesn't matter a tinker's damn whether they get mainstream attention or not. People, I was there during the "Save The Chronicle" campaign. I wrote, I cared, and it didn't mean a damn in the end. Just like all fan campaigns do in the end (Roswell basically got picked up for S3 because UPN thought it would go great with Buffy, the fan campaign didn't matter at all...), especially when it isn't masterminded by the shows creator (bet you didn't know that Roddenberry was responsible for "The spontaneous fan campaign").
Years of overuse of the concept has made the fan campaign about as successfull as boycott attempts, to wit, not sucessfull at all.
Nathan
"It looks like a great adventure...That's what it is; that's what it feels like. When I saw the pilot, it was really engaging. It was exciting. It was unusual. It threw me off every now and then. I think people will be grabbed by it." - Ron Glass, on the pilot, during an interview with the Indianapolis Star
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Originally posted by millernate:Quote:
Given it every opportunity??? What planet are you living on? They did nothing to counter months of the negative buzz concerning the "rejected" pilot. They stuck it in one of the worst time slots for a sci-fi show (years of programming data to prove it.) They pre-empted the first 2-3 episodes.
They haven't tried airing it on a better night/time, which they could easily do, and is common practice. How in God's name do you call that "giving it every opportunity"?
I'm sorry, but I just couldn't let the ridiculousness of that statement stand.
Well as much as I dislike the tone of the original poster I had to agree with them:
1. They promoted the show constantly on American Idol (Fox's big "Everyone in the World is watching" show, much like Survivor for CBS).
2. a Factual Correction: They didn't start to preempt the show until something like the fourth week, at least where I live.
3. No one really changes timeslots anymore, and never with one hour dramas (once in an extraordinarily great while you'll see a sitcom change timeslots but never a drama).
4. Please learn to [ /quote ] when you quote (removing the spaces) as trying to read one huge quoted text is a little distracting.
1. That doesn't counter the points of my arguement. One "good" thing Fox may have done doesn't negatate all their mistakes, or prove "they've given it every chance." (Also, since I wouldn't watch American Idol if you paid me, I'd say they were wasting promotion on the wrong people, but that's just my personal opinion.)
2. In my area (major northeast city) they DID. That's why I wrote it. It's a FACT, okay?
3. Yes they DO. The X Files is one example. It started out in this same timeslot as Firefly.
4. Sorry. I made a damn mistake. Sue me.
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Originally posted by millernate:
...especially when it isn't masterminded by the shows creator (bet you didn't know that Roddenberry was responsible for "The spontaneous fan campaign").
It looks like you hit gold! All we have to do is get Joss to mastermind our campaign and the chances go up :)
No Fan campaigns aren't really effective. Take the Excelsior campaign. The only major detractor throughout was that the show would be a prequel, then B&B go and make Enterprise - a prequel. Heh.
Farscape seems to be gone.
And no I didn't know Roddenberry was responsible -(from Spacecast on Space in Canada) I thought it was some old woman. However, I'm not a huge trekkie, maybe they know Roddenberry.
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Not necessarily disagreeing with you, just questioning.
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Originally posted by millernate:
No one really changes timeslots anymore, and never with one hour dramas (once in an extraordinarily great while you'll see a sitcom change timeslots but never a drama).
Do you mean on Fox, or any networks? Because I see programs change slots all the time, especially when they aren't stable. Angel has gone from Tuesday, to Monday, to Sunday, and this season it's ratings are better than ever.
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Roswell basically got picked up for S3 because UPN thought it would go great with Buffy, the fan campaign didn't matter at all.
I thought Roswell was still on the WB when it got saved, and everything I read about it in the media said that it was the fan campaign that saved it. And then after a season, the WB tried to get rid of it again, which was when UPN picked it up.
And I have to agree that FOX has been kind of lacking when it comes to Firefly. They axed the premiere and moved the show from Sunday to Friday, which created negative buzz from the start. They have been showing the eps out of order which is confusing. Also, even Fox admitted that they should have waited until after playoffs to start the show, instead of showing 3 eps and then pre-empting it. Fox isn't entirely to blame here. They are just a little to blame.
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Well as much as I dislike the tone of the original poster I had to agree with them:
1. They promoted the show constantly on American Idol (Fox's big "Everyone in the World is watching" show, much like Survivor for CBS).
...'cuz we ALL know dreck like AI is PRIME breeding ground for sci-fi geeks...
I myself think FF has been UNDER-promoed...since the show premiered, the only ad for FF I EVER saw was the one RIGHT AFTER THE SHOW...
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2. a Factual Correction: They didn't start to preempt the show until something like the fourth week, at least where I live.
And in most markets, there's only been one pre-emption...
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3. No one really changes timeslots anymore, and never with one hour dramas (once in an extraordinarily great while you'll see a sitcom change timeslots but never a drama).
I can name five in the last five years: Chicago Hope (Wed to Thurs, back to Wed), Dark Angel (Tue to Fri), CSI (Fri to Thur), Ed (Sun to Wed), and NYPD Blue (Mondays with first ep in January to Tuesdays with first ep in September). And in two of them, the change actually AIDED the show (CSI got a great boost from Survivor, and Ed got out of the weekend). There might not be a show that could boost Firefly, but a timeslot change MIGHT give it legs...
I'd rather think they might just change NETWORKS (ship it off to FX, where a 2.9 is considered pretty good...)
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Originally posted by Persephone:
Not necessarily disagreeing with you, just questioning.Quote:
Originally posted by millernate:
No one really changes timeslots anymore, and never with one hour dramas (once in an extraordinarily great while you'll see a sitcom change timeslots but never a drama).
Do you mean on Fox, or any networks? Because I see programs change slots all the time, especially when they aren't stable. Angel has gone from Tuesday, to Monday, to Sunday, and this season it's ratings are better than ever.Quote:
Roswell basically got picked up for S3 because UPN thought it would go great with Buffy, the fan campaign didn't matter at all.
I thought Roswell was still on the WB when it got saved, and everything I read about it in the media said that it was the fan campaign that saved it. And then after a season, the WB tried to get rid of it again, which was when UPN picked it up.
And I have to agree that FOX has been kind of lacking when it comes to Firefly. They axed the premiere and moved the show from Sunday to Friday, which created negative buzz from the start. They have been showing the eps out of order which is confusing. Also, even Fox admitted that they should have waited until after playoffs to start the show, instead of showing 3 eps and then pre-empting it. Fox isn't entirely to blame here. They are just a little to blame.
Warrick: You didn't have to wound that man.
Mal: Yeah, I know. It was just funny.
Thank you. I was trying to remember current examples of timeslot changes, and my mind went blank. Thanks for backing up my point(s)!
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Originally posted by IlGreven:Quote:
millernate sez:
Well as much as I dislike the tone of the original poster I had to agree with them:
1. They promoted the show constantly on American Idol (Fox's big "Everyone in the World is watching" show, much like Survivor for CBS).
...'cuz we ALL know dreck like AI is PRIME breeding ground for sci-fi geeks...
I myself think FF has been UNDER-promoed...since the show premiered, the only ad for FF I EVER saw was the one RIGHT AFTER THE SHOW...Quote:
2. a Factual Correction: They didn't start to preempt the show until something like the fourth week, at least where I live.
And in most markets, there's only been one pre-emption...Quote:
3. No one really changes timeslots anymore, and never with one hour dramas (once in an extraordinarily great while you'll see a sitcom change timeslots but never a drama).
I can name five in the last five years: Chicago Hope (Wed to Thurs, back to Wed), Dark Angel (Tue to Fri), CSI (Fri to Thur), Ed (Sun to Wed), and NYPD Blue (Mondays with first ep in January to Tuesdays with first ep in September). And in two of them, the change actually AIDED the show (CSI got a great boost from Survivor, and Ed got out of the weekend). There might not be a show that could boost Firefly, but a timeslot change MIGHT give it legs...
I'd rather think they might just change NETWORKS (ship it off to FX, where a 2.9 is considered pretty good...)
"Bye now. Have good sex!"
If I'm not mistaken, and I admit I often am, it was pre-empted at least twice where I am. I missed taping at least one episode because it didn't run at the time it had been scheduled.
Thanks for backing me up on other points.
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Why don't we just wait and see what happens. If there is no official word over the next week then we'll know that SyFy Portal's comments are bogus and just the same old rummers that have been floating around for weeks. I think everybody needs to take a couple of deep breaths and then wait for an official word from Fox.
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