Japanese Whalers.....
POSTED BY: Calhoun
UPDATED: Friday, June 12, 2026 18:00
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Yep, I know about the problems with tuna, sashimi and shark fins. That's why I said the whalers becoming commercial fishermen might actually be a problem too.
We could also add in fish to the anime movie. If you're going to put in fantasy elements like talking whale gods, you might as well show the impact on fish and maybe coral reefs as well. I think Studio Ghibli would love illustrating underwater scenes and making them seem as otherworldly as possible.
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Posted by Niki:
It all becomes a moot point, given the above, because even if you take the IWC out of it, within Australian waters whaling is prohibited BY LAW.
There's an issue in that, simply because of what constitutes "Australian waters". Were they within 12 miles of the coastline of Australia? If not, international law doesn't recognize it as "Australian waters", from what I gather. AUSTRALIA might consider it their territory, but the U.S. and the international community don't. Anyone remember Libya declaring all of the Gulf of Sidra to be its very own, and vowed to shoot down any planes and sink any ships violating their territory? We didn't recognize their boundaries, and some aircraft were shot down as a result.
Point being, Australia might not have the legal standing to say whether the protesters were acting legally or not.
Mike
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Of course the Japanese are not alone
http://www.rense.com/general54/doplh.htm
http://www.thepetitionsite.com/1/tell-denmark-to-end-whale-dolphin-sla
ughter-in-their-waters
http://puertogaleradive.com/blog/index.php?title=a_barbaric_whale_and_
dolphin_killing_in_&more=1&c=1&tb=1&pb=1
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Posted by Niki:
It all becomes a moot point, given the above, because even if you take the IWC out of it, within Australian waters whaling is prohibited BY LAW.
There's an issue in that, simply because of what constitutes "Australian waters". Were they within 12 miles of the coastline of Australia? If not, international law doesn't recognize it as "Australian waters", from what I gather. AUSTRALIA might consider it their territory, but the U.S. and the international community don't. Anyone remember Libya declaring all of the Gulf of Sidra to be its very own, and vowed to shoot down any planes and sink any ships violating their territory? We didn't recognize their boundaries, and some aircraft were shot down as a result.
Point being, Australia might not have the legal standing to say whether the protesters were acting legally or not.
Mike
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antarctica#Antarctic_territories
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I think from here on, I'm on the side of the SSCS. Given they are acting legally in enforcing several laws the whalers are blatantly breaking, and are the only ones willing to do so (I don't doubt the Australian government would LIKE to, but taking the Japanese on wouldn't be prudent), I'm with them, as long as they don't do anything to injure any person. Damaging ships and harrassing them is, in my view from what I found, perfectly acceptable. That's just where I stand. If nobody's willing to stand up to wrongs, despite them being proven illegal, I think it takes guts and dedication to be the ones who DO.
Now *IF* all that is accurate and true, that changes the landscape a mite, and definitely WOULD impact my thinking on the matter. You'll pardon me if I don't just take the Sea Shepherds' word on it, though, right? That would be like accepting that the Japanese are doing whaling research because they say they are. ;)
Now, as to "taking on the Japanese", I still don't get the hubbub on that front. Why would anyone be afraid of "taking on the Japanese" in their own waters, if that's indeed where this is taking place?
I think many of you still have this WWII-era image of Japan's big bad Pearl Harbor-annihilating navy, and it just simply doesn't exist. They DO have a self-defense force, and as such they have some Aegis-equipped destroyers, supplied by the U.S., but those are large DEFENSIVE radar systems, and they tend to rely on the U.S. Pacific Fleet for any offensive or attack roles and capabilities. Besides that, I'm not sure if the Japan Self-Defense Force is even ALLOWED under their constitution to escort commercial - er, I mean *scientific research* - ships.
If anyone (Australia included) has any REAL problem with telling off the Japanese whalers, they should merely have but to ask the U.S.; we tend to still have a lot of pull with them in military matters.
Mike
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"Why would anyone be afraid of "taking on the Japanese" in their own waters, if that's indeed where this is taking place?"
Upsetting trade relations.
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Originally posted by GinoBiffaroni:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antarctica#Antarctic_territories
I understand that Australia claims the largest portion of the Antarctic continent as its territory, but that still doesn't answer the question of territorial waters. What we need to look at is WHERE WERE THESE SHIPS WHEN THE INCIDENT OCCURRED? If they were more than 12 miles from the nearest land, then technically, there should be deemed to be within international waters. I'm sorry, and that sucks, but that's what we recognize, and what we've repeatedly argued and enforced to the rest of the world.
Ealier "Hero" mentioned that many nations can sign a treaty, and Japan can still ignore it. I'd submit that that holds true for nuclear weapons as well. Did Iran sign the Nuclear Non-Proliferation paperwork? Do they recognize its legitimacy? If not, they're doing nothing illegal, are they? ;)
Mike
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Originally posted by rue:
"Why would anyone be afraid of "taking on the Japanese" in their own waters, if that's indeed where this is taking place?"
Upsetting trade relations.
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Thanks for clarifying - I was getting the distinct impression that there was still this fear of the Imperial Japanese Navy, which no longer exists.
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weather can be really rough in the southern oceans
bunch of fishing trawlers go out
none come back
that might just put both an economic and psychological end to whaling in the Antartic
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Originally posted by Bytemite:
They're not being rational because they're not hitting the source of the problem, which is trying to talk to the Japanese and change minds about eating whale meat.
They're attacking the errand boys instead of the policy makers.
Damn, beaten to the punch I shoulda thrown several days ago - well done, M'lady, extra props for suggesting Studio Ghibli, which does do some very nice animation and immersive stories.
And to quote Hicks "if you liked that, you're gonna LOVE this..."
http://www.funimation.com/lastexile/
One thing that bugs me about the whole Jolly Roger thing given recent additional information - why the hell didn't they raise the Australian flag instead, especially if they WERE acting as de-facto privateers and could claim some (albiet minimal) protection under the Australian legal system in that case ?
Prolly cause they didn't think it through, but damn they should have.
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