The next step for Joss?
POSTED BY: OPPYH
UPDATED: Thursday, January 7, 2010 20:15
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A side note , Niki :
There's a FF/E2 connection , in that Rebecca Gayheart was originally cast as Inara , but she did not work out .
As much as I loved her on E2 , we really lucked out and got the 'right' Inara : Morena...
I also had loved Jessica Steen as Cpl. Jennifer 'Pilot' Chase from Capt. Power and The Soldiers Of The Future...She played the MD later on Earth2...
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Originally posted by Causal:
Fascinating discussion, if for no other reason than to pose the question, "When do say, 'Enough. It's not gonna happen.'"
- Vote JonnyQuest/Causal, for Benevolent Co-Dictator of Earth; together, toward a brighter tomorrow!
Looks like the JonnyQuest/Causal ticket ain't quite a winner , being that you haven't quite brought that 'brighter tomorrow' to this discussion...
Lookie here , it was about ten years between the demise of classic Star Trek and the advent of the first Trek movie , and despite a relatively smallish splash being made by that picture , Folk carried on , persevered , and kept the faith in anticipation of many more Trek outings...
All that , without even the benefit of popular Internet...
Time is on our side , even if permaybehaps the economy isn't quite , yet...
It was also about 18 years between ROTJ and the Star Wars prequels , and a similar time elapsed between Indy3 and Indy '4'...
Then there's the Sherlock Holmes phenom ; a long while elapses between takes on that subject matter , but that doesn't deter anyone who's a fan...
Classics endure...Firefly Forever !
I'm right there with ya on every point, O2B, except one: The economy IS on our side. While everything else is in the shitter, Hollywood is on pace to have a GREAT year. When things get rough, people still see a night at the movie as an extravagance, but one they can afford, and escape from reality is never more important than during recessionary times.
I would hope and think that some bright young suit at Universal would realize that even better than a money-making movie would be a money-making FRANCHISE. Sure, the first one wasn't a blockbuster, but the second one means more money for the first, and so on, until you have a powerhouse franchise rolling in the dough.
Mike
Work is the curse of the Drinking Class.
- Oscar Wilde
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Thanx for the info on the SyFy channel, which has changed somewhat over the years.
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My take on a prequel (after I posted, of course) was an offshoot of OoG. Sort of introducing the crew, with a little more background of course.
SGG
Tawabawho?
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Originally posted by Storymark:
New Mexico is a good idea - lots of Tax incentives for shooting here, which lowers the budget. Though Albuquerque would be the obvious place to shoot, at they have the facilities and crew available.
And Joss did say we'd know what his next gig was before the Dollhouse finale aired....
My personal wish, my "Best Case Scenario" under the circumstances, is this:
The brakes were just pulled recently on a fourth Bourne movie. It being Universal's primary franchise right now, word was that they were looking for other potential franchise films to fill the void in their Summer 2011 schedule Bourne has created. This is apparently at least partially behind the recent movement on another Riddick movie. But it seems to me, this may be just the perfect time to bring back Serenity - as the fanbase has only grown since.
Highly unlikely... but it's what I'm hoping for.
Albuquerque works , too...
I actually got to thinking Albuquerque , too , because they filmed so much of Earth2 not far from there...ABQ has good airline service , also .
The Los Alamos / Socorro area might work , as well...New Mexico would be a great place to do all the new Serenity / FF shoots because of the " di-'Verse " scenery...
StarRanger things have happened...I wouldn't be surprised if Cowboys & Aliens were shot there...Point of Fact , I'd be surprised if it weren't...
The production landscape here in NM has changed a lot since Earth II shot here. We have three full production studios, plus an animation studio, in ABQ now. There are a lot of films that have shot around here in the last couple years. So now, not only do we have the scenery, but we have the facilities to say.... build another Serenity set.
Yeah, I'd expect Cowboys & Aliens to shoot here. Matter of fact, Robert Downey Jr. just finished a film here, so he's even used to the area.
"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."
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Originally posted by out2theblack:
Lookie here , it was about ten years between the demise of classic Star Trek and the advent of the first Trek movie , and despite a relatively smallish splash being made by that picture , Folk carried on , persevered , and kept the faith in anticipation of many more Trek outings...
Key differences here are that Trek had been running reruns in syndication for years, and had become a bit of a phenomenon based upon that. Even before Star Wars was a hit, and they decided to make TMP, Paramount had been working on a revival of the series (Phase II). And, though the popular narrative is that TMP was a bomb, and it certainly underperformed relative to expectations, it was a profitable film in it's theatrical release.
"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."
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Let's see...
"Key differences here are that Firefly had been running reruns on SyFy (then SciFi), then hulu, and now possibly the WB, and had become a bit of a phenomenon based upon the DVDs. Even before Chronicles of Riddick was a hit, and they decided to make Serenity, Universal had been working on a revival of the series (Phase II). And, though the popular narrative is that Serenity was a bomb, and it certainly underperformed relative to expectations, it was a profitable film in it's theatrical release."
*Looks over re-write*
*Nods*
*Puts away marker*
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Sorry, but as much as I like Firefly, I'm not deluded enough to consider it a cultural phenom. And 15 episodes occasionally showing up on a niche cable channel out of hundreds available is simply not the same league as 3 years of episodes shown in reruns on one of only a handful of available channels. And no, Serenity was not profitable in it's theatrical run. On DVD yes, but not theatrical. Joss himself has confirmed this, if math isn't your thing.
Be realistic. Not only was your "marker" not taking the TV/Film landscape for what is is/was, it is also factually inaccurate. Hell, Riddick wasn't even a break-even movie, much less a hit. The WB doesn't even exist anymore.
You literally got pretty much everything wrong.
"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."
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I was referring to the WB as a website (where it is still called the WB), which seems to be taking over the Firefly viewing rights from Hulu, either that, or they were the ones who promoted the episodes there in the first place.
My alternative to Chronicles of Riddick was to say Avatar, would probably have been a better choice.
My point was, though, even if I got some of the specific details wrong, there are some similarities here.
What defines a cultural phenomenon, anyway? Doesn't seem to be any set number of people who've seen the show. Firefly is at least an ascended meme, with references inserted into and acknowledged by the creators of a number of shows the nine main cast members have been part of, and a few that they haven't.
And consider all the awards and voting poll-ins that Firefly has won since it's cancellation and even since the movie. Part of that's because browncoats are nuts, but another part of it is that there are so freaking MANY of us.
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Good question, about what makes a phenom. Been involved in a lengthy discussion on that subject ir regards to Avatar.
I would say to be a cultural phenom, those who have never seen it should have a pretty good idea of what it is, and it generally becomes a part of the pop culture landscape. Firefly is close, getting there, but it's still more of a niche/cult property. After almost a decade, it still isn't nearly as well known as real cultural phenoms like Trek, Star Wars, X-Files, Buffy, Harry Potter or more recently (and unfortunately) Twilight. Hell, it's still less seen/known than something liked Charmed, which I would certainly not call a phenom.
And sure, there are similarities between Trek and Firefly - but they are surface similarities. And the landscape of the industry has changed so much in between that the similarities are virtually null. No matter how you shake it, a handful of reruns that are shown sporadically amongst hundreds of choices just isn't even in the same ballpark as what happened with Trek. Which has little to do with the quality of the show, and more to do with the realities of the industry now, but it is what it is nonetheless.
Polls are meaningless, because, as you said, Browncoats are nuts. Hell, the obsessive nature of Browncoats is becoming more well known that the show itself at this stage. But in relation to other fandoms.... no, there really aren't THAT many of us. Hell, I'm a Highlander fan - a franchise that has been a joke for most of it's existence, never could be considered a "phenom" despite 6 films and 3 TV series (and many regular mentions in other shows/movies), and hasn't produced anything of quality in at least a decade, and it still has a bigger fanbase.
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