Betrayal in "Ariel"

Of course! "He looks better in red." Lovely chills of resonance. Thanks for connecting the dots.

On the larger thread: Mal should have let Jayne go vaccuum surfing. I actually like Jayne as a character (as much of a d*ckhead as he can be -- what's Chinese for d*ckhead?). But the guy just can't be trusted. We've always known this. Someone who's in it for the money will turn on you the moment someone else offers better money. Which is how Jayne joined the crew in the fist place. Of course Mal is far from a fool: he's never completely trusted Jayne. But now Jayne's gone and done what Mal's always known he could, so Mal will never be able to trust him again, even as little as he did before. Jayne just deserved to be spaced.

Trouble is, Serenity's crew isn't just a bunch of criminals. They've got this family thing going on. Even Jayne demonstrates loyalty that transcends avarice. So how could Mal ignore Jayne's genuine remorse, or the effect his death might have on the rest of the crew? Business associates you can kill -- family you gotta' forgive. Dang it.

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Good point! I noticed the shirt, thought it ironic, but now I agree, the shirt was the target. (Not that Jayne didn't deserve it!)

I thought Mal handled it well. Jayne seems to respect Mal, and I don't think he realized that Mal a)would find out or b)would take it personally. Nearly being spaced made Jayne think about what he did and moreover, what the others would think. Shame! I bet he's never experienced it before.

And how ironic is it that Simon thinks he was helping? Hero of Canton, Hero of Simon. Where does it end?

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Could it be that when the series started it was planned to kill Jayne off pretty soon, but because he got so famous with the fans, Joss decided to keep him? And hence changed the ending to Mal letting him live?

I remember reading a comment from one of the Mutant crew saying they were actually very surprised about how much Jayne's character is really liked (not sure if that is the right word, though :-)) by the fans...

And anyway, this has happened already in teh past, with Spike in Buffy. He was supposed to be the current season bad, but the writers liked him too much (and not only them ;-))

Merl

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Wesley was also destined to die from the start, but the writers decided that they liked him...

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Curse your sudden but inevitable betrayal!

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Yeah you're right, Spike was originally supposed to die in "What's My Line" and then Dru and Angel were supposed to take over as the season bads. The writers changed this based on the enormous fanbase Spike was building.

I also wondered if Jayne was supposed to die in Ariel, but it was changed cos his character got so damn popular.

I for one am glad that Mal let him live. Cos I'm just another Jayne groupie. If it had been anyone but Jayne, I would have been cheering Mal on. But as it was I was watching with bated breath, not relaxing until I saw for sure that Mal was gonna let Jayne live. You just never know with ME. You see, killing Doyle and others has paid off, because sometimes I get genuinely scared for a character. That doesn't happen when I'm watching most other shows. I thought they were gonna kill my Giles at the end of last season on Buffy. He was all "silly girl...I'm dying," and I was like "NOOOOO!!!"

Warrick: You didn't have to wound that man.
Mal: Yeah, I know. It was just funny.

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Originally posted by ilovejayne:

I thought Mal handled it well. Jayne seems to respect Mal, and I don't think he realized that Mal a)would find out or b)would take it personally. Nearly being spaced made Jayne think about what he did and moreover, what the others would think. Shame! I bet he's never experienced it before.

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I disagree. Jayne knew Mal would take it personally. He may not be the smartest guy on the ship, but he knows that Mal considers the sibs(well, Simon at least) a member of the crew and he knows by now the lengths that Mal will go to to protect one of his own.



"I was gonna get me an ear, too." - Jayne

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I find it interesting that the Alliance Marshall was first, corrupt and willing to steal the reward from Jayne. Shows a lack of control.

Then the Blue Glove Duo, KILLED the Marshalls. That hints to me that the Alliance Government is corrupt through and through. They couldn't trust the Marshalls with the slightest hint of their existance or mission, knowing that the information would be sold.

Corrupt Governments are terribly inefficient and spend much time in interdepartmental conflicts.

This gives plenty of room for our heros to find a profit, and a sanctuary.

Jeff
Who notes he prefers boring but efficient small governments. Shakespere: First let's kill all the Lawyers.

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