Over four years since Serenity came out, has time changed your opinion of it at all?
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I also prefer the series to the BDM, but still holding out for a sequel.
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Quote:Balderdash. The main reason it didn't find a giant audience was the comfort factor. Peeps could not easily just slide into the move like a warm pair of pajamas. Even my best friend couldn't *get* the series, being entrenched in his developed fandom of Trek & Wars. It didn't instantly make sense to him, so he nixed it. To this day he says it's the out-of-place western vibe that turns him off- truth is, he won't lower shields long enough to allow himself to enjoy it.
Originally posted by two:
A screenwriter, Alex Epstein, wrote about Serenity's failure to attract a big enough audience. http://complicationsensue.blogspot.com/2006/07/second-guessing-continu
ed.html Epstein convinced me that neither bad marketing nor stupid audiences were to blame for Serenity's weak box-office receipts.
Firefly & Serenity are not by-the-numbers-make-you-happy-happy pieces. The characters are not black & white. It's not a perfect future. And there is no fall of "the Empire."
Hey- I like Trek too, but that's not the only pattern to follow.
The laughing Chrisisall
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Quote:A great ending to a poor movie can make the entire movie seem okay, maybe more than okay. A great ending to an pretty-good movie makes the movie seem stupendous, colossal, the biggest thing since Titanic or Avatar! And stupendous movies have big box-office receipts, which is what was needed to get Serenity 2 immediately into production back in 2005. Even if our Big Damn Heroes were exhausted when River returned from slaying Reavers, I think the Heroes had enough juice left in them to last 5 more minutes and give Serenity, the movie, a really great ending. They would have been doing it for us, their greatest fans. That's powerful motivation to keep going.
Originally posted by chrisisall:Quote:Well written! Very interesting. But y'know, I kinda like that they were so close to gone, had spent everything they had. Makes 'em more human that way IMO.
Originally posted by two:
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The laughing Chrisisall
The Joss Whedon script for "Serenity", where Wash lives, is
Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/two
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My older brother is like me. We both enjoy sci-fi a great deal.
Space 1999, The Starlost(yup I like this show too) Star trek, Battlestar Galactica, and Planet of the Apes.
Just a handful of shows we enjoyed.
So when I showed him the pilot of Firefly(Serenity parts 1, and 2) I thought he'd be all over it.
Nothing. Not a comment, chuckle...or anything was said after it finished. I thought this strange considering it is such an awesome pilot. I was at least hoping for "That was pretty good". Instead there was much silence.
In a last ditch effort to get him interested in the verse, I showed him Serenity the film. He promptly hated it.
I don't know what it is, and in a million years I couldn't explain why anyone in to sci-fi would not be receptive to this the series, or the film. But it does happen. People do hate Serenity.
Who would have thought?
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Quote:Serenity did not need to attract everybody and his brother. There must be about a fifth of the US population that would go see a movie if it was a perfect sci-fi movie. Call that 60 million potentially. Serenity just needed to attract 10,000,000 people. Or 5,000,000 who see it twice. Or a million people like me. ( “Myriam, let's go to see Serenity.” She's married, her husband was away, and she demanded I take her out to eat and she picks the restaurant; I pay. I'm okay with that but we must go to the movie first. I don't want her to bailout after eating. I'm not some kind of loser who goes to the movies by himself. I the kind that goes with married women.) I think the cheap matinee movie tickets were $5.50 back in 2005. Serenity could have brought in $55,000,000 within the USA. But it actually brought in only $25,500,000 inside the USA http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id=serenity.htm That was a soul-crushing disappointment. That kept us from getting Serenity 2, immediately. But someday... maybe...
Originally posted by OPPYH:
My older brother is like me. We both enjoy sci-fi a great deal.
Space 1999, The Starlost(yup I like this show too) Star trek, Battlestar Galactica, and Planet of the Apes.
Just a handful of shows we enjoyed.
So when I showed him the pilot of Firefly(Serenity parts 1, and 2) I thought he'd be all over it.
Nothing. Not a comment, chuckle...or anything was said after it finished. I thought this strange considering it is such an awesome pilot. I was at least hoping for "That was pretty good". Instead there was much silence.
In a last ditch effort to get him interested in the verse, I showed him Serenity the film. He promptly hated it.
I don't know what it is, and in a million years I couldn't explain why anyone in to sci-fi would not be receptive to this the series, or the film. But it does happen. People do hate Serenity.
Who would have thought?
For comparison purposes, Star Wars:Episode I - the Phantom Menace brought in $431,088,301 inside the USA and more around the world. http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id=starwars.htm
And to be concise, Phantom Menace was poo-poo painted shiny gold. But everybody who has ever gone to a sci-fi movie bought one ticket, no matter how bad Menace was. And it was very bad.
http://geekblips.dailyradar.com/video/star-wars-the-phantom-menace-rev
iew-part-1-of-7/
http://www.aworldonfire.com/?p=3082
The Joss Whedon script for "Serenity", where Wash lives, is
Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/two
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Quote:
Originally posted by OPPYH:
My older brother is like me. We both enjoy sci-fi a great deal.
Space 1999, The Starlost(yup I like this show too) Star trek, Battlestar Galactica, and Planet of the Apes.
Just a handful of shows we enjoyed.
So when I showed him the pilot of Firefly(Serenity parts 1, and 2) I thought he'd be all over it.
Nothing. Not a comment, chuckle...or anything was said after it finished. I thought this strange considering it is such an awesome pilot. I was at least hoping for "That was pretty good". Instead there was much silence.
In a last ditch effort to get him interested in the verse, I showed him Serenity the film. He promptly hated it.
I don't know what it is, and in a million years I couldn't explain why anyone in to sci-fi would not be receptive to this the series, or the film. But it does happen. People do hate Serenity.
Who would have thought?
Browncoats come in all sizes, ages, and colors. And anyone can be a Browncoat if they desire. But to get to that starting point they must have a few necessary things like:
Above-average intelligence
Sense of humor
Love of dialogue
Love of characters
Star Wars and other sci-fi offerings including recent remakes of classics no longer have any of that. They have hollow and shallow characters, cute and cuddly creatures, absurd aliens, techno-gizmos galore, big space explosions, and incoherently boring dialogue. They are predictably pedantic puke for potheads and pathetics. Firefly proves that none of that is necessary. There's very little recognizable sci-fi dressing on the basic salad of Firefly's story-telling. If some people out there don't get it, then that says more about them than maybe you wanted to know.
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Originally posted by two:
And to be concise, Phantom Menace was poo-poo painted shiny gold. But everybody who has ever gone to a sci-fi movie bought one ticket, no matter how bad Menace was. And it was very bad.
Because it had the name "Star Wars" and George Lucas linked to it, The Phantom Menace could have been a blank screen with the title pasted(in Star Wars font) on the big screen for 2 hours with musical score. It still would have made at least $100 million.
I'm not kidding.
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Still loving the film. Lack of a sequel? Not so much.
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Quote:& punks.
Originally posted by Riverlove:
They are predictably pedantic puke for potheads and pathetics.
The laughing Chrisisall
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Quote:You're not wrong.
Originally posted by OPPYH:
Because it had the name "Star Wars" and George Lucas linked to it, The Phantom Menace could have been a blank screen with the title pasted(in Star Wars font) on the big screen for 2 hours with musical score. It still would have made at least $100 million.
I'm not kidding.
The laughing Chrisisall
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