BACKBONE: Howard Dean says: Vote the Senate health-care 'reform' DOWN
POSTED BY: SignyM
UPDATED: Sunday, September 14, 2025 23:09
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Obama is almost a lame duck right now, especially after his Afghanistan speech. Reid & Pelosi, by virtue of their own ineptitude and stubborness, are just adding to Obama's problems. Obama's approval rating, while slipping, is still more than double that of Reid's and Pelosi's. He has to step in and hammer out a Bill with Congressional leaders of both parties that is shit simple, yet effective. I believe his personal power and charisma can pull it off.
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Obama's been bleeding on healthcare reform from the beginning. A constant slow adjustment downwards from "actually helpful" to "gotta keep them lobbyists happy."
I like some of the regulations being proposed the insurance industry, because they've been running wild and the denial of claims have been hurting a lot of people, and I don't think it's right to make a profit at the expense of hurting your customers. But these improvements aren't worth the crap shoot of the rest of it. Opening up the insurance plan already available for government workers to the twelve big pre-existing private insurance companies does not create any new competition. It doesn't create any sort of Co-op for people who want to get around insurance companies.
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"Don't you know how bad Obama needs this to pass, politically speaking that is?"
The first thing that comes to mind - is that like passing gas ? Or more like a kidney stone ?
But anyway - this is going about like I expected. As I posted over a year and a half ago - the real fight will be AFTER the election. Obama needs to be pushed. WE will HAVE to do the pushing. The big difference between him and McCain is that he is pushable, while McCain was not.
But I expect that as only a few 'progressives' will at this point be making some noise about this (btw, Al Franken as junior member, is for the Senate version), and as only a very few of the electorate seems to care, this will move forward like a steamroller.
FUCK.
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Originally posted by SignyM:
The "kunckle-draggers" were fighting health care reform. The peeps who don't want THIS bill are fighting FOR reform.
I don't think it's that simple. "Reform" has many definitions. Sen. Mary Landreau was given $300 million tax dollars for La. for her one holdout vote just to move the thing forward to allow a vote. Others were "bribed" as well. I guess that's how things work in DC. Pretty disgusting stuff. Does reform to you mean a Govt. option? What about just setting some new laws to abolish the most objectionable practices of private insurers? That's a start. Allowing co's to sell it across state lines would increase competition within the states and lower costs. Tort Reform capping lawsuits against doctors and hospitals...Why not? Or just some type of Govt. credit so that poor people not on MedicAid can get some private insurance at a moderate cost. Going for the whole enchilada at once was doomed for failure. And sorry you Dems have had to discover your own DINOs...we Repubs have had our own RINOs to suffer with for a long time.
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"What about just setting some new laws to abolish the most objectionable practices of private insurers?"
Like astronomical rates ? Because that's the biggest issue of all, and the reason WHY so many people don't have insurance to start with. To people who can't afford insurance to start with, recission and denial of care are moot.
"Allowing co's to sell it across state lines would increase competition within the states and lower costs."
It hasn't worked for other items like - oh, gasoline. Market forces in the face of collusion ? They're nothing.
"Tort Reform capping lawsuits against doctors and hospitals..."
Texas did that - and it has an area with THE MOST EXPENSIVE health care in the country. Tort reform is a non-issue.
"Or just some type of Govt. credit so that poor people not on MedicAid can get some private insurance at a moderate cost."
And shovel tax dollars to private profit ? I would have thought that you would be against that.
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Originally posted by Kwicko:
Mark my words, it will happen. At some point, when a group of people are pushed so far, there's nothing left for them to do BUT react violently.
I've noticed it's the successful wealthy people who freak out violently most often. The economic fall is more shocking to them, they have more resources, and more to lose, plus the deadly sin of pride. And they're more brainwashed that all is perfect, so the truth is more fo a shock to them.
Ft Hood "lone nut" was paid $130,000/year govt salary. Not even govt bribes were enough.
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Originally posted by rue:
"What about just setting some new laws to abolish the most objectionable practices of private insurers?"
Like astronomical rates ? Because that's the biggest issue of all, and the reason WHY so many people don't have insurance to start with. To people who can't afford insurance to start with, recission and denial of care are moot.
"Allowing co's to sell it across state lines would increase competition within the states and lower costs."
It hasn't worked for other items like - oh, gasoline. Market forces in the face of collusion ? They're nothing.
"Tort Reform capping lawsuits against doctors and hospitals..."
Texas did that - and it has an area with THE MOST EXPENSIVE health care in the country. Tort reform is a non-issue.
"Or just some type of Govt. credit so that poor people not on MedicAid can get some private insurance at a moderate cost."
And shovel tax dollars to private profit ? I would have thought that you would be against that.
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Rue, aren't you being a tad unfair with your responses? All those points are debatable to some degree, aren't they? And tax dollars going to the private sector is Obama's forte....clunker cars, banks, etc. etc. I have to go. to be continued.
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Sand in the gears, folks, sand in the gears.
Doesn't matter WHY the Rethugs are opposing it and being obstructionist jackasses if the bill itself is such a horror that it needs to die, does it ?
And consider this:
Sometimes the best way to use a dangerous and unpredicatable, unwanted resource, is to use it up.
Call it a two fer one special.
-F
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If you wish to debate them, I will be happy to read your post.
And when I get the time, I will find the specific FACTS that back up my post, and show that they ARE a matter of fact, and not merely personal opinion.
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Originally posted by Fremdfirma:
Sand in the gears, folks, sand in the gears.
Doesn't matter WHY the Rethugs are opposing it and being obstructionist jackasses if the bill itself is such a horror that it needs to die, does it ?
And consider this:
Sometimes the best way to use a dangerous and unpredicatable, unwanted resource, is to use it up.
Call it a two fer one special.
-F
I'm intrigued by this plan in that it's something the Glenn Beck followers would WANT to do, and because it's actually for their benefit. These health care bills are seeming more and more like something that need to be shut down. Good for them, good for us. I like it.
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