BACKBONE: Howard Dean says: Vote the Senate health-care 'reform' DOWN
POSTED BY: SignyM
UPDATED: Sunday, September 14, 2025 23:09
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Sometimes your only power is in saying "no" and walking away.
Walk away, and tell your Senators to do the same!
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Heh, if only he'd displayed some spine when his own party threw him under the bus instead of crawling to them begging, I might not find the guy so despicable - but yeah, he's gotta point, I just don't trust him to stand to it when things get rough, cause when it really counted he not only rolled over, he went sucking up to the very folk who rolled him.
So you cannot trust him.
-F
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Maybe I should post a picture of Cheney giving everyone the one-fingered salute? Would that be about as topical?
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Pay no attention to PN's alter ego "Piraticipant". He's never had anything relevant to offer.
And yes, I wish the Senate WOULD vote this pig of a bill down, or Obama would veto it. It offers nothing to the average American now, and everything to the insurance companies.
I'm not condoning it or endorsing it, but I'll tell you this for a fact: If this bill passes into law, there 100% absolutely WILL be homegrown "terrorist" attacks against insurance companies and their offices and headquarters. There are going to be people (like Wulfie, maybe, or SergeantX) who are going to decide that the insurance companies might be able to make us pay, but we can make THEM pay even more.
Mark my words, it will happen. At some point, when a group of people are pushed so far, there's nothing left for them to do BUT react violently. And this is what happens when you go to your elected representatives to seek redress of grievances in regard to the raping we've all taken at the hands of the insurance lobby.
Like I say, I don't condone it or endorse it, but I understand where they're coming from, and I understand how they feel, and I can see it coming.
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I agree.
What I can't figure is how the pols don't "get it". There is an undercurrent of rage and desperation, and one more good fucking over - like we've had for the past nine years- might let it loose. Trillions for the banks, billions for war, but no
thing for health care? WTF??? I don't think Americans are going to be satisfied with pretty words and ambiguous statements and politics as usual anymore. Americans that I know are hurting.
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Sent to my senators:
NO PUBLIC OPTION, NO BILL.
You need to understand that true desperation exists outside of the Senate's backrooms. Many working people that I know are desperate... desperate for jobs, for homes, and for healthcare. Trillions have been shoveled at banks with no questions asked, billions wasted on endless wars, but nothing for healthcare? Why doesn't the Senate just say "let them eat cake"?
That desperation may very well turn to rage if Americans feel that they have- once again- been bled. Mandated insurance without some form of government option is - AND WILL BE SEEN AS - a giveaway to the insurances. The Senate will be- AND WILL BE SEEN AS- beholden to rapacious big businesses. Even with so-called regulations in place, health insurance will remain unaffordable for the many working people I know. You politicians in Washington need to come to grips with the real world and with real Americans. This is the Democratic Party's defining moment. Come though for the American people in a real way, and you will be in power for the foreseeable future. Waffle on this, and you will be swept away in a torrent of disgust.
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After 6 months of this endless debate and political posturing you're willing to just throw it all away? I almost fell off the couch last night when I heard Dean say it on MSNBC. Don't you know how bad Obama needs this to pass, politically speaking that is? Supporters of the House version say pass this watered-down Senate bill, and then add on later. I liked the Medicare at age 55 concept. I think the country could have accepted that because it's already in place. It's quite amazing to see Mr. Dean now on the same side as the "knuckle-dragging neaderthals". If his new position causes just a couple of votes to change, then this thing is dead.
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Quote:GOOD. As written, the bill is worse than nothing. And that's saying something. Because what happens if you're mandated to buy insurance, you can't be refused for pre-existing conditions but it winds up costing you $1200/ month?? This bill will prolly wind up hurting far more people than it helps.
If his new position causes just a couple of votes to change, then this thing is dead.
The "kunckle-draggers" were fighting health care reform. The peeps who don't want THIS bill are fighting FOR reform.
Here's the deal, as I see it: If the Dems don't pass something effective NOW... and I don't mean a waffling placeholder bill that does "something" for Obama but a bill that HELPS PEOPLE in 2010... then the Dems won't be around after that to "add" to the bill.
But if they HELP PEOPLE NOW, then by the time the Senate elections are in play people will have had a chance to experience- and hopefully appreciate- what was done, without all the fear, uncertainty and doubt (the FUD factor) that was roiled up in this past summer.
And right now, who give a frak about Obama's standing? He's not running for office at the moment.
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Originally posted by Jongsstraw:
After 6 months of this endless debate and political posturing you're willing to just throw it all away? I almost fell off the couch last night when I heard Dean say it on MSNBC. Don't you know how bad Obama needs this to pass, politically speaking that is? Supporters of the House version say pass this watered-down Senate bill, and then add on later. I liked the Medicare at age 55 concept. I think the country could have accepted that because it's already in place. It's quite amazing to see Mr. Dean now on the same side as the "knuckle-dragging neaderthals". If his new position causes just a couple of votes to change, then this thing is dead.
THIS thing - the thing they've got now - rightly deserves to die. And if it takes down the Senate majority, then they'll learn that they should have voted something THE PEOPLE wanted, not what the insurance companies wanted.
Funny thing is, none of them seemed ready to put their job on the line for it. Nobody wanted to make a stand, and say "The people need THIS, and nothing less!" They feared that doing so would result in them being voted out in the next election cycle.
My question to them is this: If you're going to be voted out anyway (and always assume that you are), wouldn't you rather be voted out for doing THE RIGHT THING, rather than for doing NOTHING or THE WRONG THING? I know I would.
Mike
Work is the curse of the Drinking Class.
- Oscar Wilde
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