V: Beastiality in scifi -- is it ethical? Or legal?
POSTED BY: piratenews
UPDATED: Thursday, November 26, 2009 02:28
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You can't really call sex with something humanoid that can tell you 'Get off me you bastard/bitch!' bestiality. Even if it's a humanoid lizard, or cat, or any other animal you care to name.
Is sex between a humanoid lizard capable of expressing verbally whether they consent or not and a human being ethical? It depends on your ethics. I'm sure if humanoid lizard aliens landed on the planet and were peaceful and began to live here, to the point of forming relationships with the natives, there'd be more than our fair share of humans who'd call it abomination and a sin in the eyes of God and all that.
There'd also be those who'd just shrug and say "Whatever floats their boat."
The problem is the former would be likely to get violent. The latter, not so much.
Remember, we're still living in a world where people are capable of violent condemnation of relationships between white and black people. And it's a lot more widespread than we as a public are willing to admit.
I'd say the first human/alien couple would also be the first lynched human/alien couple in today's world.
As to its legality, I don't think there'd be anything anyone could do about it. The humanoid reptiles would obviously be capable of conveying consent, which is the only meaningful criticism authorities can find to argue against bestiality. Otherwise they simply charge for sodomy to arrest someone for sexual relations with an animal, which I honestly believe is simply their way of skirting the issue and allowing religion to dictate law without admitting this is what they've done.
I'm gonna do something risky. I'm going to defend zoophilia, because I don't see a lot of that happening here in counterpoint to the other extreme. (Readers take note: The following is likely not going to be child friendly, since it is a discussion on a sexual topic. I will, however, try my best to remain clinical and proper in its discussion.)
Note that I used a different term. There's a reason for this. Amongst people who actually care about the animal, bestiality is a bit of a bad word. They point out that there is a difference between sexual relations with an animal that is willing, which they call zoophilia and argue that some animals are capable of not only clear consent but requesting sex, and bestiality, which is their equivalent of rape - the animal is forced to arousal and then used pretty much as a toy, with no real consideration given to the animal or its own willingness.
Those who practice zoophilia are quick to point out that many recent studies have revealed just how flawed our views on animal sexuality are. The more we study the subject, the more many researchers are realizing that the current views on animal sexuality are a product of flawed understanding of the natural world (That we're superior and thus animals are incapable of most things we are capable of,) and of religious views, which state that animals are lesser creatures, less complex and therefore less competent than us.
Dolphins are one of the older examples that are often mentioned. Studies show that dolphins are perfectly capable of understanding sexual advances, and are wholly capable of consenting or refusing. They're also, scarily enough, capable of rape. During the breeding season, duos of males are known to work together to 'corral' or trap in a smallish area a female, keeping her there until she becomes ready to breed. Now here's the important part - sometimes they don't wait, and proceed to have sex with the female whether the female is signaling consent or fighting and trying to get away. No one who works with dolphins denies that the males are wholly understanding of the fact that the female is unwilling and doesn't want their attentions, yet they will force themselves on her anyway for their own enjoyment- essentially, rape. In short, we have here an animal with an incredibly complicated sexuality that is fully capable of offering consent or refusal of sexual advances.
A more commonly encountered animal, dogs, are a similar story. While not nearly as s
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It's possible my not-quite-virgin but still quite prudish eyes are going to regret this, but with the couple and the dog, they aren't including the dog, right? They're discouraging the dog from interfering in the activities with socks, but the dog's reaction in doggy think is "Oh boy! Gonna get me some" anyway?
Trying really hard here to not make a joke about doggy style...
...Damn it.
Anyway, I dunno. Human-human relationships are pretty much impossible for me to figure out without throwing other things in the mix. That's mostly why I tend to avoid these subjects.
I'm neutral on zoophilia. Don't know much about it, to be frank I'm not 100% on whether I want to. Clearly lines need to be drawn about what constitutes abuse (and bestiality) versus more... acceptable (?) relationships, but I'm not the one to draw them (see above).
I think there's clear-cut cases of abuse, though, and don't tolerate animal abuse any more than I tolerate people abuse. If I can be shown zoophilia constitutes abuse (which I might be inclined towards, I see animals at about the mental level of small children, and sex with small children is clearly wrong), then I'll condemn it. Otherwise, I file it under my "whatever" catch-all.
Just don't know. I mean, the only difference I see between someone molesting a kid because the kid just happens to have an erection and someone molesting a dog is that the dog might initiate. Still wouldn't be right if the KID were to initiate, yeah? I mean, someone wrote a book called Lolita about that, you know.
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Originally posted by asarian:
The Zentradi (at least as I know 'em in Macross Frontier) are kinda tall. :) Pretty much giant-sized. Making out with them may be the last thing you ever do. But they're humanoid alright.
In both franchises, Zentraedi can be micronized down to human size (just ignore Klan Klan's. . . uh, issue. She has a genetic malfunction). In fact, it's possible that Michel is actually a half-Zent himself (judging by his ears, and the fact that he and Klan Klan apparently grew up together). And Ranka has been explicitly identified as one-quarter Zentraedi.
(In the Robotech franchise, of course, there are at least two well-known human/Zentraedi hybrids; Dana and Aurora [and/or Maia] Sterling. [There are two different timelines; one has Dana and Aurora, the other has Dana, Maia, and possibly other siblings.])
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We applied the cortical electrodes but were unable to get a neural reaction from either patient.
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Beastiality on TeeV:
It's a Bright New Day.
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LOL....Frem, your a sick, sick man -:))
Galaxy Quest, even just saying the name makes me smile.
"Now that's just wrong" meh, heh, heh
Mine is an evil laugh........
Anywhozzlebees, where is it writ that aliens can't have sex?
Inquiring minds want to know!
SGG
Tawabawho?
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Originally posted by Bytemite:
It's possible my not-quite-virgin but still quite prudish eyes are going to regret this, but with the couple and the dog, they aren't including the dog, right? They're discouraging the dog from interfering in the activities with socks, but the dog's reaction in doggy think is "Oh boy! Gonna get me some" anyway?
Oh, I think fido is gettin' a little somethin' somethin' from the misses. If the dog isn't a participant then why do you need socks to prevent bodily harm to the human female? You just kick fido out and close the door. Plus you got "he associated the socks with the pleasure of the act". Watching isn't "the pleasure of the act".
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