V: Beastiality in scifi -- is it ethical? Or legal?
POSTED BY: piratenews
UPDATED: Thursday, November 26, 2009 02:28
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Originally posted by Kunochan:
The golden rule of modern sexuality is consent. You can argue about the advisability of, and social consequences of, promiscuity, pre-marital sex, adultery, polygamy, serial monogamy, polyandry, orgies, S&M, pornography, furries, ad nauseum -- but as long as they are consensual, they are not immoral.
I'd take adultery out of this list.
All the other ones are situations in which all parties enter with eyes open, no lies, informed choice, actual consent.
With adultery, there's often the issue of the non-consent or even non-knowledge of the cheated-on party (with whom the cheater often still has sex), which can have very devastating consequences for them, health-wise and psychologically. To me, the lines blur there. It's not not immoral when deception is involved.
All the rest of it, dead on.
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Originally posted by AgentRouka:
I'd take adultery out of this list.
Of course you're right. Adultery is a matter of consent -- if I'm sleeping with someone who is also sleeping with other people, and risking disease/pregnancy/jealous violence, I need to know that before I consent.
Adultery would not just apply to married people -- it's anyone in an explicitly exclusive relationship.
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BYTEMITE is right. It's not even remotely bestiality. For one, they're not beasts. Sure, they may look reptilian on the inside, but that still don't make 'em beasts. I would even go as far as to say that, as far as the social aspect of sexuality is concerned, the Visitors are human, simply because they look human. The woman and the human-form alien guy in Starman, that isn't bestiality either, for the same reason. When you look at Lisa, you see the hot girl, not the lizard. THAT is what people are attracted to: the human look. Nobody's thinking: "I'm gonna do the bad thing with a lizard." Instead, they fancy having sex with the girl, and try their darndest not to think about what she looks on the inside. Now, if people WERE thinking of having sex with a lizard, that would be different. It still wouldn't be bestiality, of course, for reasons mentioned throughout this thread.
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Whereas if it were an EARTH lizard lifeform it would most definitely qualify as bestiality, as the animal cannot consent.
"Ew" and that's not even taking the risk of salmonella into account.
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How about human/vampire?
That's not inter-species. It's Necrophilia. (But unlike regular corpses, a vampire can consent!)
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Bestiality is never a good thing in Sci Fi or anywhere...what's the point of showing it? it just another cringe inducer. I actually object to any sexual perversion ( I.e anytime involved parties aren't consenting to) being portrayed unless it's pertinent to the plot line(e.g. historically relevant etc)rather than included to create discomfort....also it can serve to encourage the assholes out there who justify their own revolting behaviour
I do not have a problem with consentual inter-alien -species relations...e.g. If a consenting alien looks horse like but isn't actually an earth horse that's ok...coz it's not an actual horse.
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Am sooo glad I'm not the only one who sees The whole Twighlight thing as a sobby whinefest...my friends are so taken in by it blegh!!!! apparently I'm an old fuddy duddy for not getting into the romance of it all....I try to explain I've been there before on a quirky exciting intense Buffy and Angel level and subsequently do not need to explore the overmarketted boring younger cousin...however I do not mind that it is encouraging kids to read.that's never a bad thing.
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What everyone else has said. Sapient alien species =! animal. We could argue whether xenophilia is, to paraphrase John Stewart "a lifestyle choice or just a random fetish," but that's a different debate.
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Originally posted by Kunochan:
In reality, even a humanoid alien species like the Visitors (or Vulcans or Zentradi or the Starman) couldn't produce any kind of hybrid offspring.
Unless there are mitigating circumstances.
Vulcans share genetic characteristics with humans (as do almost all humanoid species in Star Trek, thanks to the Precursors).
The Zentraedi. . . take your pick. In the Macross franchise, Zentraedi and humans are offshoots of a common ancestral race. In the Robotech franchise, the Protoculture is actively Shaping the development of both species (the whole point of Robotech is, arguably, that Weird Stuff happens that we can't explain).
Starman, I honestly can't recall that scenario.
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Originally posted by Cybersnark:
The Zentraedi. . . take your pick. In the Macross franchise, Zentraedi and humans are offshoots of a common ancestral race. In the Robotech franchise, the Protoculture is actively Shaping the development of both species (the whole point of Robotech is, arguably, that Weird Stuff happens that we can't explain).
The Zentradi (at least as I know 'em in Macross Frontier) are kinda tall. :) Pretty much giant-sized. Making out with them may be the last thing you ever do. But they're humanoid alright. However, since the difference in DNA between humans and, say, a dinosaur is only about 5%, I regard it extremely unlikely that even a humanoid species (likely to be more than 5% different) and a human would be able to produce a common offspring.
Oh, and =! != !=
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And in the TB verse, vampires are incapable of reproduction because they are,...well, dead, but very consenting.
Another important difference from the Twilight verse.
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