Fascist pig cops taser 10-yr-old- girl for refusing shower in her own home
POSTED BY: piratenews
UPDATED: Tuesday, December 8, 2009 19:03
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Originally posted by piratenews:
Parents can't spank a kid, that's aggrevated assault.
Damn right it is, or oughta be.
Same bullshit arguments for beating your servants and beating your wife are no more valid for beating your kid.
As with any form of persuasion, from childrearing to interrogation, if you have to go hands-on, you've completely fucked it up, and doing so is only gonna fuck it up worse.
Oh, and John - don't even think to try shovelling the hellcamp excuse that these kids are "out of control" cause they were not abused ENOUGH, not only will it not fly with me, and quickly enough be cut to ribbons...
You'll be wasting effort better spent elsewhere, like muckraking Biden and ACTA.
-F
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This whole story has me bewildered. The child was not commiting a crime, so why are the police involved? If the parent feels it is necessary to call 911 to control her child, then it is time to contact juvenile authorities to take the girl out of this house and find out what is going on and not send the police.
I did a little digging and the FBI is going to investigate this. It appears the state authorities did not want to touch this one.
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Traveler
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Just for your edification.
Copy of Page2 of the police report, HERE.
http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/years/2009/1118091taser1.html
Sounds a lot like "arrested for resisting arrest" to me, which is bullshit when it happens to an adult, and it's bullshit when it happens to a kid, IMHO.
The officers presence and actions directly escalated the situation to the point of physical confrontation which he did, in fact, initiate.
That makes HIM responsible, and negligent.
I would give much to know exactly what occured prior to the officers arrival, given that such extreme behavior is generally not without some cause amongst children - and while I am sure they didn't do so, an examination by a qualified medical professional might have revealed evidence of physical abuse or excess force by the officer, but this step was apparently not taken.
There's also cause to doubt the word of the officer regarding the extremity of the childs conduct, cause it's a known fact that when you compare such statements to video evidence, it's almost a given that the officer is either substantially exaggerating, or outright lying.
And I still question the necessity of using force at all, since I have seen no evidence of any particular reason beyond adult egos why it was so bloody important that the child *immediately* comply with demands, especially when emotionally distraught.
Again, in a situation like this, someone has to be adult about things, shouldn't it BE the adults ?
Just sayin..
-F
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Originally posted by AnthonyT:
But I am more appalled that a parent would call the police because their child was refusing to obey them. Were I the officer on that call, I might consider citing the parent for requesting police response for a non-crime. Since when is a temper tantrum considered criminal behavior? I just can't wrap my head around it.
It can happen. For example, my sister's current husband has a child from a previous marriage who has severe mental issues coupled with a very short temper and no real ability to control herself. She's only, oh, 14 or so, yet when she goes on a 'temper tantrum', things usually wind up broken and destroyed, she's screaming her lungs out, her adrenaline gets going and she can and will fight tooth and nail like a wet, pissed-off cat if you try to stop her physically.
I seriously suggested calling the police the last time I was present and it happened. She refuses to see her parents as authority figures, so they're of no use except in physically holding her down to make her stop; She barely respects the police, and only because she has a history with them. She knows they don't fool around.
And of course, physical punishment goes right out because she threatens to call child services if they touch her - which is, despite what you'd think, a dire threat. Because they know she will lie through her teeth about how horribly they treat her, and who're they gonna believe, a girl capable of beating herself up to show off bruises and then cutting herself up (Both things she does REGARDLESS,) or two parents who're only capable of saying 'She's lying!' and 'She did it herself!', both things child services hear EVERY TIME they confront abusive parents about their child?
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Seems a trend in motion...
Deputies use Taser on ‘out of control’ child
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/34255437/ns/us_news-life/
Seriously, first off I can say that most of these are bullshit, based on a long history of real world experience with this kind of thing, one reason I come down so hard on parenting styles that lead directly to such confrontations.
And yes, there's some that aren't - but in THOSE cases, if it's bad enough to merit that kind of involvement in the first place the child is being done a terrible disservice because that is not the proper environment to help them with their problems, and for a fact, use of force is only going to make whatever problems they have worse.
-F
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Drago
In continuance of the last post, cause I felt this matter required a separate and direct address...
I don't know the specifics of the case, but divorce is always hard on a childs viewpoint of the parents, which with underlying issues or hostility/gamesmanship between the parents can become pretty dire, yes.
There's also medication issues if the girl is on any because long term use of "control" medications, how to put it... it's like a mental/neuro atrophy, if the medications are used as they usually are, the dependence on them prevents the child from development of self-control, something possible to ease through with graduating to lower doses over time, but outside of Baylors Child Trauma unit, not many docs actually have the care or interest to do it, see ?
And so eventually the medication stops working, especially if they're using a stimulant post puberty, cause it'll start to have a different effect and make things worse, MUCH worse, and then they have no internal control cause they've never developed it - I've seen this dozens of times, although like I said, I don't know about the case in question.
What I *DO* know, is that use of force in such situations is only going to make it worse - there's almost always some reason and cause for a lack of respect for parental authority, and that phrase itself shows the key - lack of respect.
You cannot get respect by using force, and from your tone it strikes me that they see their own child as an enemy or adversary - which she has become, because every time force is used on her it just escalates the cycle, you understand ?
And now that they have broken trust by use of that force, your options are more limited, because she will NOT take any suggestion or assistance initiated by the parents, which will doom it from the start.
Best bet on a matter like that is to have someone she sees as neutral or friendly talk with her, ASK her, and help her explore options - a ball that if you can get rolling, will be able to bring the parents back into it once she sorts out enough of her own issues to try rebuilding with her family, if she even wants to, which she may not.
The only reason I offer that much, unasked, and probably unwanted, is that, again, I've seen this a hundred times before - and if it continues to escalate, someone may very well get badly hurt or worse, I've seen that too damn often before, too.
The use of force is NEVER a proper option in a parental or mental health respect, NEVER.
-Frem
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Hmm, just finally checked this thread. I don't really have much to comment about the girl who was tasered beyond what's already been said, and I don't mean to continue anything off topic here... But being as I know Drago from elsewhere, I've heard some stories about this girl before.
As far as I've been told, there hasn't been abuse. What I heard was that her behaviour was triggered because she was moved from where she was living before. I can't remember the details, but Drago's sister is taking care of her now. I don't know, maybe the people she was living with before were abusive or she had behavioural problems even back then.
In any case, it's not just the adults she encounters who she's lashing out against. She apparently has done some damage to small animals and supposedly she slashed the throat of one of Drago's eight year old nephews, or tried to, or something. Like I said, I forget the details.
Remember the story you posted once about the social worker and the kid who proudly proclaimed he was "born a rapist?" She's almost got that kind of vibe. Irrational hate towards everything, especially innocent things that haven't hurt her. Don't know why. No one knows how they can help her.
Maybe someone should just go ahead and promise to help her get the papers to be independent or something, because she hates her caretakers so much, on the basis that she doesn't damage herself so she can claim abuse. But that seems risky too.
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The kid has always been unstable since she was very young. The whole hitting/cutting herself thing started, as far as I can tell, when her age was still in single digits. Make no mistake, when I say this kid is crazy, I MEAN she's insane. When I say she's dangerous, I MEAN she's dangerous to herself and others.
This girl, on the way to her father's house to live with him and my sister, opened the door of a car doing 40 and threw herself out of it. She didn't want to leave her mother's. Notice I didn't say 'mother's care'. There was none. She was letting these girls drink, smoke, hang out with older guys and likely having sex, there were probably drugs involved. They didn't want to live with their father because it meant they'd have PARENTS, and not an older roommate who just said 'Whatever.' and went back to whatever she was doing.
And there was no choice. Their mother had been living in a camper with them. She was being made to move into a smaller one - there was no room in it for the girls. They had to go to their father.
They didn't like this arrangement. The 14 year old - the crazy one - actually planned to run away and live homeless in the next city over so she could be with her friends rather than go to my sister's house to live.
Hence the tantrums, the having to hold her down (Usually because she was trying to hurt herself,) the refusing to acknowledge that my sister and their father were authority figures - up to that point she'd never HAD an authority figure and she REFUSED to accept any now.
And no Byte, she didn't try to cut a kid's throat. You really forgot the details on that one. o_0
After having lived with my sister and her father for a while, she'd steadfastly refused to take her medication. They couldn't make her without holding her down and forcing it into her, and they weren't willing to do that. Then one day she and her older sister, also living with my sister and her father at the time decided they were going to a sleepover. Note they decided. Neither of them ever really left much room in their plans for parental approval.
Along about dark, my sister gets a call. From the police. The girl had hit a young boy in the hand with a machete, and cut his hand to the bone.
There were two 'versions' of these events that came out. One was that she told the boy to close his eyes and hold out his hand. The other was that it was an accident. I tend to believe the first version - because I'm pretty sure the boy's parents said they wouldn't do anything nasty, as long as the girl got professional help.
After that, she was sent to some institution for observation, treatment, and medication.
Now, after she got out of this place, I was amazed. As long as she took her medicine, she was an awesome kid. She was funny as hell, lost a lot of that creepy self-cutting vibe she had, she was fun to have around.
Then she stopped taking it. Within days she was back to slapping her father for daring to argue with her about the plans she made without consulting her parents first. Temper tantrums, threats to hurt people including my young nephews. It was Hell again.
Then she had to go back to the institution or whatever the hell it was for some more observation and so they could check and see if she could stay normal on smaller doses of medicine now.
She was there one night. Then her mother showed up and 'rescued' her. Since she WAS the mother, it was legal, the place couldn't do a thing. The girl was right back with the smoking, the drinking, the sex and the drugs.
At that point she got an ultimatum. "Stay where you're at or come back with us. You're not gonna just go from parent to parent on whim whenever you don't like something the other parent does."
She just said fine and stayed with her mother.
As for the small animals, my sister had several small dogs, but she had one favorite. A short time after the girl arrived at the house, most of the dogs had bruises from being kicked, and my sister's favorite was dead. Completely healthy one day, symptoms li
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Yep, that's a case that needs a little more than the parents can handle, they are completely out of their league no matter how good their intentions, Drago.
Problem is, health care in this country, especially mental health care, is so screwed up it makes stuff like that hard as hell to deal with, especially since no one ever *wants* to believe a kid is that bad off internally, and I am sure you know exactly what I mean.
And yes, you've nailed the problem with depending on medication to control it, there's the assumption they are gonna take it, and it's a bit like treating TB with cough syrup, symptom over cause - which is useful in a short term to suppress symptoms so they can be treated, but is not and should not be a whole solution.
And from your description at least one doc had the sense and decency to try graduating down the doseage, but again, the family is kind of out of their depth in coping with the situation and hasn't handled it well, sure.
I don't have a technical phrase for it, but I *have* dealt with this particular issue before, it's a damn tough one even for someone with experience and resources because the internal things that drive them to the violence are even stronger in nature than compulsive disorders, and in this case the "compel" is violence, which makes it doubly dangerous not only to others around them, but to themselves.
And yes, it does go that extreme, in fact it can go WORSE, cause I've seen it - hell, there's some suspicion that this particular malady is the basis for werewolf legends, I kid you not.
One girl I dealt with had me build a "safe room" where she'd go when she felt it coming on, but even that requires a degree of control and influence I suspect the girl in question hasn't developed, which would be the first key to unlocking her from that mess, and the second would be figuring out what some of the triggers are.
Still, force isn't really an option there, she's better at it than they are, more willing to use it, often unable to NOT use it, and it doesn't help solve the problem any.
There's actually very few non counterproductive treatment options for this, because even most professionals are out of their league when dealing with it, and as such treatment as might work is resource and time intensive, most of em won't even try - it's generally what we refer to as a "Class Four", aka lost cause, which is why I have wound up dealing with a couple, cause you do find them sometimes when dealing with very ugly issues, yes.
And you are correct, most people do NOT want to believe something like this even exists, they just call em evil and be done - never realizing that what they do "in mode" hits and hurts them so hard they actually start pushing themselves into it even more so they don't have to deal, a destructive cycle that left unchecked, destroys them and anyone around them.
I feel for the girl and her family, though - we really DO need better options for this sort of thing.
-F
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