Thank Joss for Subtext (aka. Ho!Yay!)
POSTED BY: JaynesGirlfriend
UPDATED: Thursday, December 21, 2006 00:46
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Personally, I'm waiting for the Deliverence references.
I about died when Jayne was stealing all of the Doctor's stuff and mentioned the "hill people."
I could see the Doctor as being gay. Not the Captain though. He doesn't effect my gaydar.
Nixx
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Are you kidding Nixx? The Captain and Simon are the best couple on the show. The last episode had SO MUCH hoyay between those two. In every scene they had together Mal kept going out of his way to be all touchy-feely with Simon. And why do you think Mal went back for Simon? Because he luurrves him, that's why. That scene at the end when Simon was questioning Mal about it was just filled with sexual tension. Whatever forced "sexual tension" Mal has going on with Inara has nothing on Mal and Simon's. And Mal got so embarrassed and defensive about Simon questioning him, that was so cute! And then he said for Simon to get ready for dinner and that "there's no need to dress." hehe! okay, I'm just digging now, I'll admit it. The Captain strikes me as more bisexual than totally gay. He lurves Simon but also wants to follow the conventional route (Inara) and he knows not what to do.
I could write a freaking essay on all the HoYay in "Safe" but I'll spare you all. There is just too much of it for the fans to be making it up. Joss has admitted to putting hoyay in Buffy, eventually he'll admit to putting it in Ff too.
Warrick: You didn't have to wound that man.
Mal: Yeah, I know. It was just funny.
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"They took Christmas away." River's way of saying Jayne's big pay day had been swept out from under him, but she goes on to say "No fair looking in the closet. That's just greedy." Which of course to my dirty little mind sounds like she's telling Jayne he can't coerce Simon into having sex with him as a consolation prize. Which considering Simon's "he was amazing" pronouncement back on Serenity might not be such a wacky idea.
Yes, my slashy friends, the Ho!Yay! thrives.
"I was gonna get me an ear, too." - Jayne
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So, okay. I'm going to ignore all sociopolitical and scientific discussion on homosexuality here. Any replies that include any scientific discourse, statistics of any kind, or anti-gay sentiment will be summarily IGNORED.
Right? Okay. Moving on.
Firefly rocks! Also: Mal is in love with Simon. Yes he is. And Simon now has a crush on Jayne. And Jayne feels really guilty because he kindof sortof is crushing back. And he betrayed him! And doesn't want him to know! Because of the crush, absolutely.
You know, in a normal show this incident would be forgotton and never mentioned again, and Simon would never learn that it was Jayne what betrayed him and River. But being as this is Joss... I don't know that it won't crop up again. I'd like Simon to find out. Then he will realize what a Cro-Magnon Jayne is and find true love with Mal.
And, wow. Mal. Scary in love with Simon. He's all "you mess with him, you mess with ME!" and completely prepared to let Jayne die. And only decides against it because Jayne shows remorse for turning on his boy.
And Inara and Kaylee. Are a couple. And if they're not, they should be. Kaylee's all "so do Space hookers date?" and Inara's all "well, maybe" and then with the hugging and the kissing. Awwww. So cute.
And shout-out to the HetYay, Wash and Zoe are so cute words do not describe. I'm afraid of what Joss has in store for them, because they're so in love I could see little hearts around them when they were kissing. And everyone knows Joss kills all healthy relationships. So sad!
In closing, Mal loves Simon. And Simon should love him back because lets face it: space pants rock.
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t. a. d.
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Didn't Jayne say something to Simon like "Shut that pretty mouth"??? After calling Simon's shoes pretty last week. I mean, that's pretty gay. I think Jayne sort of has a crush on Simon, but Mal totally loves Simon. I thought it was so cute how furious Mal was with Jayne for what he did, was even gonna let him die over it. Jayne was all "I didn't do nuthin to you" and Mal shrieks "YES YOU DID!" before covering himself and continuing with all the "you betray one of us you betray us all" crap. Poor Captain Tight Pants. As for Simon, he's in the middle. If he didn't have a crush on Jayne before, he sure does now. The way he looked at him and said "he was amazing..." hehe, the HoYay definitely thrives.
oh yes, and I'll echo the HetYay. Wash and Zoe are like the bestest couple ever. They should get more screen time.
Warrick: You didn't have to wound that man.
Mal: Yeah, I know. It was just funny.
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Quote:Yes, yes, he did. And everyone in my neighborhood knows it because I began screaming in joy. It doesn't get much gayer than that. Although with all the Deliverance action going on last week, it was also a little creepsome. But I digress..
Originally posted by Persephone:
Didn't Jayne say something to Simon like "Shut that pretty mouth"???
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Poor Captain Tight Pants. As for Simon, he's in the middle.
And this is a bad thing? I'd pay good money to be in the middle of that.
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If he didn't have a crush on Jayne before, he sure does now. The way he looked at him and said "he was amazing..." hehe, the HoYay definitely thrives.
Even the gay-dar deficient had to feel that one. If Simon were a girl you know that would be considered foreshadowing for a future relationship. Of course, considering its King of the HoYay Whedon we're talking about at least we can consider it foreshadowing for lots more Jayne/Simon subtextyness in the future. Yum.
I'm not feeling the Mal/Simon love though. Its there, I'd have to be blind not to see it, but the prospects of Jayne/Simon just seem like so much more fun.
"I was gonna get me an ear, too." - Jayne
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I'm not feeling the Mal/Simon love though. Its there, I'd have to be blind not to see it, but the prospects of Jayne/Simon just seem like so much more fun.
Jayne's hot, I admit. But he really strikes me as being a knuckle-dragging jerk. I could deal with the mercenary tendencies if he had the charm and charisma of Han Solo. And I wouldn't mind his being a dim bulb if he had the courage of, say, Worf. But he's rude and abrasive and cowardly and obviously the type who thinks that a fart is a witty rebuttal.
Not my cup of tea.
Mal on the other hand! Now, he does have the charm and charisma of Han Solo. And he went back for Simon even when Simon's own father wouldn't have, and didn't leave him behind on Ariel either. And he totally threw down for his boy! Also: the man must have Kaylee weld his pants on every morning, because I don't see any other way of getting into those things.
Captain Tight Pants indeed.
So, I'd much rather see the Simon!subtext with Mal, rather than Jayne. Because between the rugged anti-hero and a transplanted Neantherthal/frat-boy... no contest.
Although, honestly. Simon is crushing on Jayne something awful. But I can definately see Jayne feeling so guilty he brushes him off. Or Mal suddenly looming up in the background and giving Jayne the evil eye until he did, anyway.
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t. a. d.
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And I wouldn't mind his being a dim bulb if he had the courage of, say, Worf. But he's rude and abrasive and cowardly and obviously the type who thinks that a fart is a witty rebuttal.
I don't think Jayne is as dumb as he appears. He's more anti-social and incredibly self focused, which can make him appear the dim bulb. I don't think he's that cowardly, either. As long as he thinks the ends justify the means he can be very brave. He probably would think that a fart is a witty rebuttal though, can't argue there. I lurve my Jayne, gotta stick up for him. How sexy was that knife-licking, mmm...
Usually I'm rooting for Mal and Simon, but in Ariel I woulda been blind not to see it between Jayne and Simon. Just like JG said, if the "he was amazing" scene had been done exactly the same but between a man and woman, viewers would take it as foreshadowing for a relationship. I'm pretty much feeling the Hoyay between all 3 of them, in every which direction. Ariel was just the gayest ep ever. Thank you, Jose.
Warrick: You didn't have to wound that man.
Mal: Yeah, I know. It was just funny.
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Well, normally I'm a rabid yaoi/yuri girl, but I have to disagree with you. The way I figure (as in read waaay too deeply into it), Mal likes Simon as an annoying little brother, you don't ever admit you like him, but you try to take care of him, y'know? (Ooh, fic idea!) Mal does like (that sounds so juvnile!) Zoe, who likes Wash (duh!) Kaylee thinks she likes Simon but those feelings are really for Inara, who Kaylee sees as untouchable and thus subconciously transfers them to Simon, who is almost as unreachable as Inara. Mal doesn't really like Inara that way, he's just a jerk sometimes. Inara likes..hmm.. I don't know. Jayne likes River. So why does he betray her then? (sorry if that spoiled any.) He thinks that when Simon broke her out of the government-place, he did it too soon, and if they had her back, they would fix her.
Note: It's 1 am local time. Just had to share that with y'all.
Sensou
Sweet is love when all is sane
Sweet is death to end the pain
Cruel is death when all is well
Cruel is love when all is hell
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See I think Mal loves Zoe more like a sister, and he's maybe kind of in awe of her. I just don't get any sexual attraction there. Zoe + Wash 4 eva!
Agree with Kaylee digging Inara and transferring it to Simon. She probably knows deep down that he's way gay, so she feels he's safe or something.
Jayne...River...hmmm my brain can't handle that thought. You're not serious about it are you? All Jayne cared about was his "reward." River's like a child. And an insane one at that.
Warrick: You didn't have to wound that man.
Mal: Yeah, I know. It was just funny.
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