Race, and politics
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UPDATED: Monday, September 15, 2025 14:11
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That's amazing.Quote:
For someone who not only doesn't see the good and disregard the bad, you constantly attack people and put them in categories--usually ones that don't relate to the actual PEOPLE, you say the most amazing things.
Individuals, learning to think for themselves, to see the good and to disregard the bad.
I read what you write, as I do everyone else. What you write is visceral judgments of people AS non-individuals, but seen by you THROUGH your pre-condeived notions, and you make no effort to even conceive of the idea, nor reply to the suggestion, that "hippie-libs" might think for themselves and not be exactly what your preconception of them is.
How can you write what you did and not see it in yourself??
As to contradiction, you put the argument up in a link to make the point that libs are racist. The author said NOTHING about personal responsibility and blamed both problems purely on "liberal racism". So I guess you are contradicting the author of the link by saying that both are to blame. So what you and he conceive of as "liberal racism" isn't to blame for EVERYTHING you're saying? That's almost a nuanced view; congrats.
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Niki,
Scared yet?
People are finally calling shenanigans on the belief system your generation propagated.
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The problem, as I see it, is circular. As I said, there's racism and there's reverse racism.
Prior to Niki's generation, I would argue that segregation laws limited the opportunities of ethnic minorities. Particularly blacks, though there were also less official rules in regards to particularly Japantowns and Chinatowns and Little Italies. Other enclaves existed as well, Cubans and Puerto Ricans are the ones that most come to my mind.
In any case, Niki's generation did a lot of good in highlighting the dissimilarities. Their intentions were good, to try to make constitutional rights apply to ethnic minorities as well.
The problem comes from Affirmative Action. Affirmative Action was created to try to limit racism through law, which in some ways could be considered necessary at the time. But Affirmative Action is a self-perpetuating policy, so long as there is racism, there will unfortunately need to be a balance, which will itself generate racial resentment.
At some point, the protective treatment will eventually need to be removed, but I'm not convinced it's done it's job well enough yet. Maybe once we fix the education system so there's a painless way to get out of ghettos.
The difficulty, of course, will be trying to strike Affirmative Action when the time DOES come... Very hard to do that in a politically correct manner.
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Originally posted by Wulfenstar:
Niki,
Scared yet?
People are finally calling shenanigans on the belief system your generation propagated.
Really? I should be scared because someone said the word "shenanigans"? Is that like River's safe word, and you think, like Jayne did, that it will put US all to sleep to hear it said aloud?
Again, Wulfie, you're propagating gross generalizations. You seem to think that "our generation" is only capable of holding one single belief system. Is that really how you think things work? What is YOUR generation's single belief system, then? I note for the record that young voters turned out en masse for Obama. Are you saying your generation is all lefty-liberals? And since you're of your generation, doesn't that make you one of the lefty-loons?
You really, REALLY need to work on your wording. You are your own worst enemy.
Mike
Work is the curse of the Drinking Class.
- Oscar Wilde
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"You really, REALLY need to work on your wording. You are your own worst enemy."
Granted. I actually agree with this sentence.
lol
But, then again, I don't think I need to babysit adults either.
Why should I play nice, (when at last count, I've never seen anyone do that if they disagree) and placate idiots... or reword things to be less offensive?
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Good gawd, why on earth would I be scared? Quote:
I'm afraid you'd have to be more specific, I know I got into a lot of shenanians myself, but if you mean fighting for civil rights, marching to pull us out of a devastating war, working for the environment, being politically informed and active, striving for women's rights...I don't consider those "shenanigans", and they laid a lot of groundwork for good things happening today.
People are finally calling shenanigans on the belief system your generation propagated
I already said Affirmative Action may have outlived its usefulness, which is the ONLY thing Byte said that I disagree with...so I guess you, yourownself, are incapable of "learning to think for themselves, to see the good and to disregard the bad."
You know next to nothing about me, and my "generation" was made up MORE of middle-class, apathetic people than it was of activists, so which category do you want to lump who into? And if you're lumping people, what exactly has "your" generation contributed lately? As Mike said, you can't be talking about the current generations, as they WORKED and voted to get Obama elected...and the previous ones elected Dumbya, so, what exactly?
"reword things to be less offensive?" Because if you did, you might just get more reasonable discussions, exchanges and debate with people, rather than just pissing them off and making them strike back on your level...except I think that's what you WANT, actually.
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"reword things to be less offensive?" Because if you did, you might just get more reasonable discussions, exchanges and debate with people, rather than just pissing them off and making them strike back on your level...except I think that's what you WANT, actually."
Oh Im sorry.
I should pretend to believe what you believe. That way, when I start to open your mind, it will be easier to do.
Well, I dont have the time or the patience to do that.
I prefer to give you the facts, piss you off, and when you are at home... lying in bed late at night thinking about things..
You shake yourself from your trance, and realize what you had been promoting was wrong.
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"You shake yourself from your trance, and realize what you had been promoting was wrong."
Hello Wulf,
I do not think the reality that you have created for your Inner Space matches the reality that exists in Outer Space. If you do not find a way to bridge the two, you will soon find yourself interacting with phantoms.
I recommend relating to the world and the people in it as they exist, and not as you fantasize them to be. I have noticed, for instance, that you are often inspired by movies. This is fine, because works of fiction have been the inspiration for real life changes of thought since the dawn of Drama. However, it is important to understant that fictional worlds are populated by fictional people who react and behave exactly how the fiction writer prefers. While a particular idea in fiction may be inspiring, fiction should not exclusively be used as a tool for understanding people or society as a whole. Also, fiction has the problem that its story ends at a time and place useful to the author. In real life, time marches on, so that more consequences are evident.
A good example of how fiction can inspire, but NOT be a tool to understand people as a whole, is in the works of Heinlein. In some of the science fiction works of Heinlein, it is posited that human relationships will evolve to the point where jealousy is a nonexistant concept. In some of his works, open marraiges do not merely exist, but they are the standard state of affairs. (A bit of a pun there.) The reader is presented with a logical argument as to why jealousy is foolish and harmful. Now, while I think it would be wonderful if human beings could surrender the sentiment of jealousy and ownership in relationships, that does not mean I expect to explain this to the average American and convert them by the strength of my convictions or arguments. Nor do I expect married people, after having spoken to me, to wake up in the middle of the night and have a Eureka! moment where they suddenly surrender their previous mindset in favor of the one I have advocated. I myself, who can see the logic of shrugging off jealousy, am chronically unable to do so.
Convincing people of things takes time and patience and hard work. You generally can't do it by shouting at them. You must address them from their own perspective, and gradually shine light on a new path. If you don't have time to do that, then you're simply wasting the time you do have. The only people who will respond to your sentiments are the people who already hold them.
--Anthony
"Liberty must not be purchased at the cost of Humanity." --Captain Robert Henner
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I see I have indeed, wasted my time.
Fuck you Wulf - if you will not learn, then you will burn.
-Frem
"This is vengeance...
So I am to ferry you to Hell."
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bias?
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/sep/29/media-double-standard-
revealed-in-trump-16-vs-obam/
https://www.conservativereview.com/commentary/2017/01/msm-gave-57-time
s-more-coverage-to-trumps-immigration-order-vs-obamas-cuban-refugee-halt
http://thehill.com/blogs/pundits-blog/media/315826-in-2009-media-drool
ed-over-obama-to-trump-they-bare-their-teeth
on the flip side,
Fox News’ Chris Wallace today talked about President Trump‘s treatment of the liberal media by recalling how President Obama used to treat Fox News.
Wallace told Harris Faulkner that if you look at other networks, there’s a lot of negative coverage, some of which he’s personally “troubled” by. But he did say that “a lot of it is accurate reporting of things the president doesn’t like.”
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