Betrayal in "Ariel"
POSTED BY: Evans
UPDATED: Wednesday, November 20, 2002 18:54
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I also thought that Jayne was too obvious a choice. I was thinking it would be Book until I saw he was nowhere to be found.
I love that Joss & co. are being really honest about these characters. They haven't tried to sugar coat Jayne's character the way so many other shows would. Jayne is an entirely selfish, mercenary character and that has been consistent so far. That's why I wasn't disappointed about the traitor being Jayne, because it made sense, it was believable. Also, I think this episode might serve as a bit of turning point for Jayne. Hopefully he won't get all watered down or anything, but if he's going to be part of the crew there needs to be a bit of trust and loyalty there. The others all know this, but he doesn't seem to, maybe he's starting to learn.
Warrick: You didn't have to wound that man.
Mal: Yeah, I know. It was just funny.
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Huh. I thought Jayne had to be the one to switch sides, for more money. That's how he came to be on the crew in the first place.
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Was I the only one that found the Blue Hands groups's weapon mega freaky?
Joss obviously foreshadows Jayne as the Judas for this ep. in Serenity:
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The crew takes an Alliance officer prisoner. The prisoner tries to buy Jayne off, Janye thinks it over, and replies: "Let's talk price." In the end, we find out that Jayne didn't sell out, but only because the money wasn't good enough. Mal askes Jayne what will happen the day the money is good enough, and Jayne replies something along the lines of "That'll be an interesting day."
However, I do think there's hope for Jayne yet. He honestly seemed to feel remorse for his actions before he knew he was caught. The scene where Simon is singing Jayne's praises, Jayne seemed to feel awful. That, and also his last request before dying was that Mal wouldn't tell the others the truth. Could it be shame??? Finally, he deliberatly set it up so that he'd be selling Simon and River out with out getting Mal & co. in trouble too. I don't think it was to protect his job. After all, will all the award money he was expecting, I don't think he'd need to be working anymore.
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Originally posted by LivingImpaired:
Was I the only one that found the Blue Hands groups's weapon mega freaky?
Joss obviously foreshadows Jayne as the Judas for this ep. in Serenity:Select to view spoiler:
The crew takes an Alliance officer prisoner. The prisoner tries to buy Jayne off, Janye thinks it over, and replies: "Let's talk price." In the end, we find out that Jayne didn't sell out, but only because the money wasn't good enough. Mal askes Jayne what will happen the day the money is good enough, and Jayne replies something along the lines of "That'll be an interesting day."
Mmkay, more Serenity spoilers.
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In the 80 minute version of the ep that I've seen Jayne never actually says the price line, though it is in shooting script. Otoh, we don't know who, if anyone, helped Dobson get out of his restraints.
"I was gonna get me an ear, too." - Jayne
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So after watching this episode should we take Herc's comment to mean that Book should be considered more of a recurring character then a regular?
Also I was wondering what exactly did River say when she woke up, I couldn't quite make it out
Please Please Please let the ratings be up this week
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Originally posted by Gaheris:
Oddly enough, I think River already knows about the betrayl. The way she was glaring at Jayne the entire time and the fact that she's well... psychic make it almost certain that River knows. AND River doesn't seem to like Jayne too much for some reason...
Of course she knew. When Jayne comes back into the hospital room after calling that guy to turn them in, and then River wakes up- the first thing she says to him is, "A copper for a kiss?" Which I read as a reference to Judas and Jesus in the Garden of Gethsemane. (Betrayed with a kiss, for thirteen pieces of silver.)
Knowing that River has some odd mental powers, if you listen to her "nonsensical" comments, it's obvious that she's often one step ahead of everyone else.
And it's more than just reading people's minds. For instance she knows things before they happen, although it's been disguised somewhat so the other characters aren't noticing it. Like in Out Of Gas- at Simon's party she says, "fire" and Simon thinks she means "blow out the candles" when she actually means that Serenity is on fire. There are a lot of little bits like that throughout the episodes.
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I really thought Mal was going to space Jayne.
What saved Jayne wasn't begging, it was his request that the others not know about his betrayal. Then Mal lets him live with body language that said "I know I'm going to regret this".
This is my favorite series.
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Originally posted by Frankigal:
Also I was wondering what exactly did River say when she woke up, I couldn't quite make it out
She said "A copper for a kiss", according to closed captioning. I couldn't make it out either, after watching it twice.
As for Jayne, I know I risk passionate flames about this, but I just don't get it. I don't like him. He does get to give lots of funny lines, but honestly, I think he's a creep. mind, when I say I don't like "him" I don't like his personality. It doesn't mean I don't enjoy what his character does. He's like Cordelia was in the beginning - the character you love to hate. Like Cordelia, I would like to see him grow, not necessarily soften, but grow. I think he could still be fierce and funny AND be loyal. If his loyalty continues to be an issue, I hope they do get rid of him.
I haven't watched every episode yet, but I have to say that from everything I've seen, Wash is my favorite character, followed closely by Mal. Wash says some of the funniest stuff. And Mal has got so much fierce integrity. I love them. And Zoe has such a dead-pan delivery. She's growing on me for sure.
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Well, i was surprised. Very rarely does Joss throw out what everyone expects...
But, interesting side of Jayne. I think he was ashamed of what he'd done. And i think he may like Simon & River, though he seems to want to convince everyone otherwise. He seemed very antsy & guilty the whole ep.
I loved that he remembered his "line" even though they were waved on. That was...Funny.
Also Kaylee's little "i volunteer, and get sent to pick through trash--HEY look at THAT!!!" was cute.
~S.
You can't take the sky from me.
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I think, after building a reputation as someone who offs characters (Doyle in Angel, Jenny and Tara on Buffy, as well as that guy in the first episode of Buffy that Joss wanted to put in the credits just to kill off), it was more surprising to me that Mal let Jayne live. Once Jayne said that it wasn't like he betrayed Mal, I figured Jayne was a goner.
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