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Tuesday, November 17, 2009 7:01 PM

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It seems the biggest racists today are Blacks and liberals.


You mean those racist blacks and liberals who went after ACORN?

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Tuesday, November 17, 2009 7:18 PM

bump..

Hey Kwick, you read those links yet?

Or, are you just going to hurl more insults?

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Tuesday, November 17, 2009 7:50 PM

Mike,

I actually agree with Wulf that liberals are often unaware of their own racism because they are so convinced that they're not racist.

However, Wulf has completely failed to convince me of two things important to his case:

1. That he is not a racist. It was almost impossible to type this with a straight face.

2. That he is in anyway a conservative.

Sure, he supports 2a, and most republicans do, but it's not really a conservative position, it's a pretty neutral one. Mike also also supports 2a and I would definitely place on the left.

Hating black people isn't a position of political perspective, but neither is hating liberals, or anyone. I mean, when you think about it, you really can't define any position negatively.

Pirate News may hate jews, but that doesn't make him a Nazi. Most people hate Nazis, but that doesn't make them Jews. Lots of Americans are anti-Capitalist without being Communist, almost all Americans hate Communism, but lots of them are not capitalists. Hating the French doesn't make you English, etc.

Peronally I currently hold the Republican Party in a lot of disdain, but don't feel I'm really to the left of where I used to be, which reminds me, I have something to post ;)

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Tuesday, November 17, 2009 7:54 PM

"However, Wulf has completely failed to convince me of two things important to his case:

1. That he is not a racist. It was almost impossible to type this with a straight face.

2. That he is in anyway a conservative."

Huh?

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Tuesday, November 17, 2009 7:55 PM

btw:

Dear White Liberal America
By Lloyd Marcus
Thank you very, very much. You see us poor helpless inferior blacks (oh forgive me, I must be politically correct, "African Americans"), and you want to help us using your superior intellect. After all, we could not possibly succeed in this racist, homophobic and greedy country without your assistance.

I first met you guys in the 70s when I attended the prestigious Maryland Institute College of Art on a scholarship. A black kid from the ghetto, I found myself amongst white kids from well to do families. I worked a part-time job to cover my books and art supplies. You guys did not have to work.

And yet, I remember many conversations about how you would never bring a child into this "freaking world" and how "freaking screwed up" this "freaking country is". You told me how "freaking selfish" your "freaking parents" were and how they only cared about "freaking money". Then, you drove off in your convertible given to you be your "freaking parents" as I stood at the bus stop.

I can not thank you enough for the numerous times you shared your expensive premmo weed with me. While I enjoyed the free weed (of which I've long ceased to indulge) and rebellious chicks, in all honesty, I could not figure out what you were so p-o-ed about.

So, now you former hippie boomers are in total control of government, colleges and public schools, still selling your Utopian message of peace and love. Thanks for getting rid of black dads in the home via your welfare programs. I mean, everyone knows dads are cruel chauvinists who beat and molest their kids.

Oh, and thanks for encouraging schools to accept black kids speaking Ebonics rather than English. It would be racist to expect us simple minded colored folks to learn to speak English correctly. And besides, we don't want our black kids sounding too white. Authentic blacks must sound like the hood, love rap and Kentucky Fried. I would never trust any black that eats "sushi"; which is probably what those traitors, former Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice and Supreme Court Justice Clarence Thomas eat. If Justice Thomas would have answered his phone with a "What up!" and a heartfelt "A-muri-ka sucks", the NAACP would have championed him as a true brother faithful to his blackness. Sadly, Rice and "Uncle Thomas" as we call him, chose the character, education and hard work route to success. How disgusting!

Yes, you libs are soooo good to us. I really appreciate "b" actresses like Janeane Garofalo putting that Uncle Tom, RNC Chairman, Michael Steele in his place when she said he suffered from Stockholm Syndrome. How dare he not view himself as a victim of white America. How dare he empower young blacks with the knowledge that they can achieve without liberal intervention. What an ungrateful, well, you know the word I'm thinking. It begins with an "N".

In closing, you libs, please keep up the good work. With your continued diligence, we minorities and most Americans will not have to work or be responsible for anything. Your president is in the process of confiscating the wealth from those greedy rich white SOBs and redistributing it to us. Right on!

Now, if I can just figure out how to tie my shoes all by myself. But if I can't, I know you libs are there for me. Fighting back tears of overwhelming gratitude, again, I thank you.

Cordially yours,

Lloyd Marcus

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Tuesday, November 17, 2009 8:21 PM

No, Wulfie, I haven't read the articles yet. Sorry, but I'm busy. Slammed, really. I got a few minutes to post some snark on my lunch break, and now I'm just about to head down to the convention center to set up for the annual Xmas show and try to rake in some long green, so your articles took a back seat to my need to eat this week.

But from the one you just posted...

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So, now you former hippie boomers are in total control of government, colleges and public schools, still selling your Utopian message of peace and love. Thanks for getting rid of black dads in the home via your welfare programs. I mean, everyone knows dads are cruel chauvinists who beat and molest their kids.



Really? The "former hippie boomers" are in "total control"? Really?

Are you actually stupid enough to believe that?

If that's the level of tripe you consider informed opinion, I'd rather not waste my time reading the garbage that influences you.

Now I've got to get back to work. Busy-busy! I'll be pulling 16-hour days from now thru Sunday, but hopefully it'll be worth it.



Mike

Work is the curse of the Drinking Class.
- Oscar Wilde

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Tuesday, November 17, 2009 8:28 PM

Weak response, btw....

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Tuesday, November 17, 2009 8:34 PM

Wulf, we could all get along if you didn't hurl invectives all the time and spew your hatred of so many things and people, and speak in generalizations to hurl it. It occurred to me that I rarely, if ever, see you agree with anyone or say anything even slightly decent to anyone or about anyone or any group of people. There’s your answer as to why we can’t all get along.

Oppyh, I agree, to a point. I would put the percentage quite a bit higher, tho’, and tho’ mostly in the South, as you can see from what Byte wrote, it’s spread across the country. Had a friend, supervisor at a job where I worked for years long ago (I can see an inevitable question: “So why aren’t you still friends?” so will say before you ask that a) she lives in the City and I rarely go there and she doesn’t drive, b) I don’t socialize with ANYONE anymore, have not kept in touch with more than a couple of my old friends, and am pretty much a hermit; okay?). She moved here from New York…very sophisticated woman and I might say downright gorgeous. She was looking for a place to live; called on an ad; she and the woman hit it off right away, many things in common, the woman was thrilled and wanted to be friends, they talked about doing things together. She went to see the place.

As she’s walking up the path, she saw the woman standing at the door with a big smile, then her face changed when she saw her get out of the car. She told my friend the place was already rented in a flat voice, and said goodbye…no mention of friendship, doing things together, etc. This is supposedly a very tolerant area, definitely a liberal one, so again, I certainly wouldn’t put it at 2%. If you listed politicians and representatives, it’s obvious that both conscious racism and SUBCONSCIOUS racism exists throughout the country. They may claim they're not racist, but they follow it by saying things which prove the opposite quite clearly.

And yes, I find it embarrassing as well, and shameful.

JS, that is the biggest batch of bullshit I’ve heard in ages. I’ve NEVER seen “Christian white males” treated or spoken about the way you described. They are still pretty much the majority in power, corporate and political, so yes, there’s resentment. Not because they’re white or Christian, but because of their lack of acceptance of those who AREN’T, such as women. But what you describe are things I’ve never, ever seen.

I can’t speak to the other two (and I won’t TOUCH Garofolo, she’s an embarrassment), but Olbermann and Maddow are quick to complain about Obama when he’s not doing what they want…I watch them and I’ve heard them. I’m disappointed in him myself, I feel he’s too conciliatory and I don’t agree with some of his policies or actions. Ooops, I should have blamed them on racism, shouldn’t I, since I’m currently pretty much of a lib? Damn.

The fact is, MANY dems are unhappy with Obama and don’t blame it on racism at all. To say otherwise is to be blind and unable to see the truth around you. I would suggest you try to open your mind more, but from what you write, it would appear to take a heavy crowbar to do so and I don’t think you have any desire to anyway. Your comments rank right up there with Wulf’s “hippie libs” and deserve just about as much attention…which is a shame, as it would make you more able to engage in civil repartee.

Wulf, that first link is pathetic…it doesn’t deserve debating because it’s so fallacious and slanted. The second, I’ll give you racism as being in part behind gun-control laws, but I’ll add that the fear is equally behind those AGAINST gun-control, who want to own guns to protect themselves from the “others”. The article also doesn’t state anywhere that this mentality is held more by dems than repubs, in fact most of the historical restrictions of Blacks bearing arms cited relate to racism—-you’d have to prove how many of the gun adcocates and gun-control advocates feel that way because they are motivated by fear of African-Americans and/or others, and you’ve shown no

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Tuesday, November 17, 2009 8:43 PM

"The fact that dems/liberals are synonymous with gun control and affirmative action is fallacious, as many of us recognize affirmative action has gone beyond its original intent and has become a negative."

I call bullshit and shenanigans on this one.

"My goodness; what happened to personal responsibility"

Yeah. E X A C T L Y.

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Tuesday, November 17, 2009 10:49 PM

bump

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