WTF??? A shoot-out at Fort Hood???

FREMDFIRMA

Thursday, November 12, 2009 5:23 PM

Yanno, it keeps coming back to mind that the very first confirmed "fragging" in Iraq was at the hands of a soldier who was some time before, court martialed for being Muslim.

Ain't what they SAID, but read the case, that's pretty much what it was - kinda like that girl who refused an order to perform oral sex on her Sgt being charged with insubordination...

Did the army not think that were they gonna turn this into a damn religious crusade, perhaps the troops who WEREN'T protestant christians MIGHT take issue with it - particularly if they were mistreated and harassed because of it ?

Goddamn, I can only imagine - given the racism and intolerance practiced now, back in my day even, NO REL PREF was the kiss of death for both your career and often enough your person, it was certainly enough for a couple "training accidents" aimed at me over religious differences.

So I can certainly see a trained psychiatrist hinting that maybe if you plan to kill every follower of islam on the planet, maybe you should dispose of the ones within your ranks before they figure that out and do something about it.

Still, we don't KNOW anything - all we got to go on is the conflicting and extremely suspicious bullshit shovelled by known liars before they could have known a single fact, and ideology is certainly gonna take precedence here, so we prolly never will.

S'funny, one of my buddies in Kosovo got his own share of hassle for NO REL PREF hisself, he actually had CID show up and accuse, then attempt to CHARGE him for the criminal practice of witchcraft!
(I wish to hell I was kidding, I'm not.)

So he took that ball and ran with it, writing a "confession" to such things as witchcraft, voodoun, deviant sexual conduct, sodomy, involuntary intercourse with his own hand, sexual harrassment of non-military personnel (goats), fraternisation with enemy livestock, excessive thinking, err, drinking, lewd and unbecoming conduct, drug use (caffiene, nicotene), and performing deliberate pysops against his own command staff...

Then handed it off to the female CID investigator and said "this is the part where you strip search and handcuff me, right ?" with a mile-wide grin.

Of course, this pissed her off, and the male CID investigator nearly exploding trying not to laugh didn't help - she stormed straight to his commander and threw a hissy, especially when he started laughing so hard the whole post could hear him - and that was the end of that, but really, he got lucky...

I wound up in the friggin brig for a couple days cause a sergeant found it a bit suspicious that I stepped outside to have a smoke on a bright sunny day and five minutes later a really nasty thunderstorm rolled over the barracks, and proceeded to be on my case for a couple weeks thereafter, eventually reporting my discussions with other troops on military ethics as ruining morale, sedition, and an attempt to start a cult.
(the latter was in response to a survey asking if I would obey orders to fire on civilians who refused to lay down arms for confiscation)

So yeah, I can imagine the shit muslim or even suspected muslim folk prolly have to put up with in the army - heaven knows I spent enough damn time in the brig myself over NO REL PREF to have nearly cleared one whole wall.
(I'd scrape the paint off to pass the time as my way of annoyin them.)

I suppose the question one might ask is why there are not more of such incidents, given that thought clear in mind.

-Frem

PS. NO REL PREF = dogtag shorthand for No Religious Preference, which means you practice (as I did) something the military will not acknowledge as an actual religion, or you practice one you'd damn well be advised not to admit to.

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PIRATENEWS

Friday, November 13, 2009 10:39 PM

Note that US soldiers were previously allowed to carry personal firearms on military bases for self defense, until 1993 when Dictator Billary Clinton Blythe III (bastard jew Rockefeller) reversed that law.

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New account of Fort Hood shooting may put another officer in spotlight

Sergeant Kimberly Munley was the heroine America desperately sought in the hours after the massacre at the Fort Hood army base in Texas.

But a week after Major Nidal Hasan allegedly shot and killed 13 people and wounded dozens more, it has emerged that a previously unheralded police sergeant may in fact have fired the bullets that ended the attack, not Munley.

A witness to the shooting spree told the New York Times today that Hasan was taken down by Senior Sergeant Mark Todd, a veteran police officer.

In TV appearances, Munley and Todd have thus far failed to clear up exactly who shot him.

Munley insisted that she fired at Hasan, but did not say whether she had hit him. Todd talked of firing the shots that brought down Hasan - the first time he had ever fired at a human being in his 25-year career - but could not say whether Hasan had already been shot.

"I seen him [sic], I drew his attention toward me, and then he opened fire and then I neutralised him and secured him," Todd told CBS's Early Show this morning.

Pressed whether Hasan was still armed and threatening when he opened fire, Todd said: "We were engaged in a gunfight, and then I neutralised him, or we neutralised him."

Hasan, 39, is recovering in the hospital from police gunshot wounds. Ballistics tests and further investigation may ultimately determine which of the two police sergeants shot him.

The tale of Munley's apparent heroism recalls the case of Jessica Lynch, an army private first class who the US military said was wounded while fighting off Iraqi troops during the US invasion, reportedly firing her rifle heroically before being captured. It later emerged she was injured in a vehicle accident during an ambush and was well cared for by the Iraqis.

Munley, a petite, highly-trained civilian police officer and firearms expert, was initially said to have encountered Hasan during the attack, rushed at him and shot him down, taking at least three bullets from his pistol in the process.

Quoting an anonymous eyewitness, however, the New York Times called into question that account, reporting that Hasan remained on his feet, apparently unharmed and reloading his pistol, after shooting Munley. The witness said it was unclear whether Munley fired off a shot before Todd arrived seconds later, shooting Hasan until he fell to the ground then kicking his gun away and handcuffing him.

"It's muscle memory," Todd told CBS. "In a situation like this you don't have to think about it, you just react. By the grace of god I'm standing here with no injuries, with not a scratch."

www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/nov/12/fort-hood-munley-todd-hasan

www.nytimes.com/2009/11/12/us/12hood.html

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OUT2THEBLACK

Saturday, November 14, 2009 7:04 PM

'Major Nidal Malik Hasan, jihadist or patsy?

By Jerry Mazza
Online Journal Associate Editor


Nov 13, 2009, 00:28


The story as it unwinds seems too scripted to be true. That Army psychiatrist and Major Nidal M. Hasan went on a rampage at Fort Hood with two guns blazing, a .357 Magnum and a semi-automatic pistol with laser target-finder, after shouting the Arabic phrase ‘Allah Akbar’ (God is Greatest) as he opened fire, and will live (so far) to talk about it, though an Army-appointed lawyer says he will never get a fair trial.

Hasan coincidentally received his masters in chemistry at Virginia Tech, famous for the infamous Seung-Hui Cho, the campus killer gunman credited on April 19, 2007, with the deadliest shooting rampage in modern history. Seung-Hui’s sister curiously works for a State Department office that oversees billions of dollars in American aid for Iraq. See the link to Citizens for Legitimate Government on him and his ‘Missing Records.’ It’s more of the script, the association of Hasan with Seung-Hui.

Consider, too, that in 2007, Major Hasan, who received his medical degree in psychiatry from Walter Reed Hospital, spoke there, warning of threats within the ranks of Muslim Soldiers in a 50-slide Power-Point presentation, titled The Koranic World View As it Relates to Muslims in the U.S. Military. “He stood before his supervisors and about 25 other mental health staff members and lectured on Islam, suicide bombers and threats the military could encounter from Muslims conflicted about fighting in the Muslim countries of Iraq and Afghanistan,” reports the Nov. 10 Washington Post, which includes Hasan’s entire presentation.

Hasan went so far as to say, “It’s getting harder and harder for Muslims in the service to morally justify being in a military that seems constantly engaged against fellow Muslims.” How and why these words didn’t get his military superiors to question him seems beyond understanding, unless that, too, was part of the script. Could it be that they felt he was speaking the truth? But there was a more than veiled threat in the presentation, which you’ll see if you read it.

In fact, Hasan entered Walter Reed in 2003 and spent six years as an intern, resident and fellow. He was transferred to Fort Hood as a psychiatrist in July 2009 and was to leave soon for Afghanistan and had asked on numerous occasions not to be deployed. He even offered the U.S. government its money back for his Walter Reed education, every dollar of it. He did not want to fight fellow Muslims. Yet no one raised an eye? This is a U.S. Army major speaking, not some slacker from the sticks trying to dodge combat.

Of course, aside from his glaringly strong (if not correct) feelings against the Iraq and Afghanistan Wars, his supervisors found him quite competent counseling wounded PTSD soldiers returning from Iraq and Afghanistan. In the NY Times’ Details Emerge about Fort Hood suspect’s history, “Col. Kimberly Kesling, deputy commander of clinical services at Darnall Army Medical Center at Fort Hood, said she had known Hasan.

“‘You wouldn’t think that someone who works in your facility and provided excellent care for his patients, which he did, could do something like this,’ Kesling said. She described him as ‘a quiet man who wouldn’t seek the limelight’ and said she was shocked when she heard he was the suspect in the shootings.’” One can only imagine the tales he heard, which would only bolster his philosophical antipathy to the War on Terror, which he considered and claims to be a war on Islam, with which any number of Americans would agree.'

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http://onlinejournal.com/artman/publish/article_5264.shtml

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KWICKO

Saturday, November 14, 2009 8:51 PM

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Originally posted by out2theblack:
'Major Nidal Malik Hasan, jihadist or patsy?

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