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Define *Free Speech* if you can...

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Tuesday, November 10, 2009 11:25 PM

Nobody has addressed the problem of access. Free speech is great, but if you can't get your voice heaqrd its meaningless. Whereas we're bombarded every blinkin' day about how buying this or that product will make us happy, glamorous and sexy. (WHich BTW immediately presupposes that those are all worthwile goals in and of themselves)

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Tuesday, November 10, 2009 11:30 PM

Advertising bombardment doesn't work anymore, companies have been forced to find new, unobtrusive advertising styles using the internet.

Pretty soon, it won't be a competition with commercials, but competition between many voices that will make it difficult for anyone to be heard.

You could always try hacking into analog television airways, of course your audience is still likely to be tiny and you might receive some undue interest from the military and police who are now using that technology for communication.

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Tuesday, November 10, 2009 11:36 PM

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Wednesday, November 11, 2009 12:01 AM

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Originally posted by SignyM:
Nobody has addressed the problem of access. Free speech is great, but if you can't get your voice heard its meaningless. Whereas we're bombarded every blinkin' day about how buying this or that product will make us happy, glamorous and sexy. (WHich BTW immediately presupposes that those are all worthwile goals in and of themselves)



Nowadays, with the Interwebs, everyone has a voice, but being heard is still largely about money. Don't know how you change that other than banding together into a group, adding more voices. Maybe you need a more obtainable standard for "being heard."

"Whereas we're bombarded every blinkin' day about how buying this or that product will make us happy, glamorous and sexy."

There's also Freedom From Speech. The Mute Button is one of the great inventions of our time.

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Wednesday, November 11, 2009 12:04 AM

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There's also Freedom From Speech. The Mute Button is one of the great inventions of our time.



As are the DVR and the iPod. No radio, no commercials on TV. :)

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Wednesday, November 11, 2009 2:25 AM

You can also refuse to look at billboards, buy magazines or newspapers, or screen out the popups?

Why don't you just admit we're saturated with advert? Everything is about advert. Which shows get picked for TV and which get cancelled (ouch), the so-called "news" (gotta keep that audience tuned for yet another chance to sell! sell! sell!!), which search engines are gonna make it and which aren't, and it has nothing to do with the content itself and everything to do with advertising dollars. Because its all geared to that demographic which spends thoughtlessly (males age 19-45). So everything we see... or don't see... is about avert... gotta be flashy and quick, have happy endings (or gory ones, look at the crap that Wulf comes up with), and mostly it has to make you NOT THINK. Because thinking is anathema to advert, dontcha know.

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Wednesday, November 11, 2009 2:38 AM

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You can also refuse to look at billboards, buy magazines or newspapers, or screen out the popups?



Not sure I can tune out billboards, but I try not to pay much attention to them. I *can* refuse to buy magazines or newspapers, and I definitely block popups. :)

But I get your point. We are bombarded, 24/7. That's why I make an effort to block what I can.

Mike

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Wednesday, November 11, 2009 3:50 AM

So, my question is... why do THEY get so much "free speech"?

I mean, Christ, if TV was blaring the wonderfulness of the government nonstop, or a call to prayer (or church bells, your pick) was being broadcast 24/7, we'd be pretty quick to call it propaganda and damn if the loudpeakers in the minaret (steeple) wouldn't be shot out right quick. So why do we just unthinkingly accept the ubiquitousness of advert? Every time my hubby looks at the magazines in the rack at the grocery store he just kinda grimaces and says I see they're still selling tits and ass. I wonder how much they go for?

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Wednesday, November 11, 2009 4:46 AM

Because, while they're annoying, it's impossible to prove that they cause harm to anyone... Even the ones promoting making ourselves happy, glamourous, and sexy that probably are a major contributor to eating disorders.

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Wednesday, November 11, 2009 5:01 AM



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Man Fired Over Gay Marriage Comment

A retail manager lost his job after telling another manager that he is uncomfortable with her homosexuality, according to Fox News and a statement the fired employee posted on YouTube.

Peter Vadala, 24, worked as a deputy manager at a Brookstone gifts store at Boston's Logan Airport until August, he said. A woman visiting from another store mentioned her female fiance. Gay marriage is legal in Massachusetts.

"As a Christian, I think that's bad stuff," Vadala said in his video. The co-worker warned him she would speak to human resources, he said.

"HR, buddy, keep your opinions to yourself," he said he was told.

In the YouTube, Vadala says the Bookstone training video indicated an employee could be fired for resisting homosexual overtures.

Brookstone's president and CEO said in a statement that company officials do not discuss personnel matters publicly, and that a "thorough and fair investigation" had been completed.

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