Browncoats and politics...
POSTED BY: Niki2
UPDATED: Thursday, November 5, 2009 04:45
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Originally posted by Hero:
She got a break, skipped court for two years, then was abusive to me and the court staff. She got what she deserved. Getting even is a bonus.
Just pointing out that for all your talk of equity and right v wrong - you made your call cause she was rude to YOU. It wasn't about equity or even the law - you made it about you.
I can't really blame you - she sounds like a bitch. I might have done the same - but I'm not trying to present myself as above petty personal issues while adhering to "equity".
The fact that you don't see the contradiction in that post is pretty damned funny.
"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."
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Originally posted by Magonsdaughter:
People find different things to admire in the show - conservate values per se are not strong in the show - but here's how I saw the politics.
Atheism - Mal's views
Sorry, but I have to correct you on that one. Mal was not an atheist, he was just mad at God for abandoning him and the other Independents in what he considered a just and noble cause.
Joss is an atheist, no denying, but not Mal.
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I got that he had done with religion and god - he was mad, and I took it that he no longer believed - he certainly did not tolerate the overt practice of religion on his ship.
But I guess that's another example of people reading what they want into the show - a great strength.
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MAGONSDAUGHTER,
mostly agreed, the show took a strong anti-authoritarian stance, and strong libertarian. All I would add was that in doing so, it was on occasion very liberal or very conservative.
Hero is probably correct in saying that the show was the most conservative show on the air, but it's not much of a competition. The usual media drama range is socialist to democrat.
I'd say the conservative streak that I'd support: The show is very faith-based, very value-based, and strongly supports individualism and the rights of any colony to be independent, against the unification of a single authority, as an opposition to "the alliance" a curious name to choose for an enemy, but this is anti-big govt.
I get that these choices were made for libertarian reasons, rather than conservative ones, and it would just as quickly support gay rights or any of a number of liberal issues.
There is one point on the side of the right, and why conservatives might be more likely to flock to the show: Almost all of the left-wing points of view of the show would be supported by a large number of shows on the air. Conservative points would find little support elsewhere. If you believe in the power of faith, say, and are not a christian, there's not a lot of TV which is going to speak to that. etc.
Myself, I watched it because it was Joss. I liked Farscape a lot, and Cowboy Bebop, and this was along those lines, and I'm a big fan of Buffy. That said, Joss alone doesn't do it for me. I was very disappointed by Dollhouse, I found Angel very hit or miss.
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Originally posted by dreamtrove:
MAGONSDAUGHTER,
The show is very faith-based, very value-based, and strongly supports individualism and the rights of any colony to be independent, against the unification of a single authority, as an opposition to "the alliance" a curious name to choose for an enemy, but this is anti-big govt.
re faith based - different characters had different views - really only the Shepherd was a true follower, and you got the feeling that - although his faith was real, his role as a Shepherd was a front or an escape from something - a bit like Mal turning his back on religion.
To say that being value based is a conservative trait is not correct either - it's just that conservatives have conservative values.
I don't see much conservatism is the series, but I get that others do - I might also point out that I might hold different views on what constitutes a conservative - which to me means 'holding traditional values - opposed to change'
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Yeah, I get more than a little tired of the implication that liberals have no values, or that their lives can't be "value-based", just because they have DIFFERENT values than "conservatives" allegedly do. And what the hell ARE those "conservative" values, anyway?
I find Mal & Crew refreshingly liberal in their views. They're exercising their personal freedoms and flaunting them in the face of an overreaching militaristic fascistic government.
So it seems like no matter what your political leanings, everybody can still find something to identify with in Firefly. The show is a mirror - it shows us what we expect to see.
Mike
Let the wild rumpus start!
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A little like the implication that atheists have no morals - or are responsible for the moral decline of society.
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Originally posted by Storymark:
Just pointing out that for all your talk of equity and right v wrong - you made your call cause she was rude to YOU. It wasn't about equity or even the law - you made it about you.
I walked in prepared to give her a huge break. She never let me speak. She exploded immediately and to such extent that Court security was called by the Judge's secretary.
I let her vent for five minutes (I let people vent, it helps them). I was unable to make my offer (dismissal with court costs).
She demanded an immediate trial, which was her right. I was, because of a two year delay, unable to produce witnesses at that hearing (I had a week between when she came in and the trial date). Rather then go to the trouble tracking folks down and such for a small issue I was prepared to offer her a dismissal if she paid the court costs. Since the costs her fault, I felt this was fair.
So we went to see the Magistrate and she yelled at him when he called the case...it turned into a screaming fit.
At that point I decided to exercise my discretion to dismiss the case without prejudice and instructed my Officer to refile it as a Hit Skip. I have since located my witnesses and the victim. He was out money from the damages, he deserves justice too.
After the Magistrate granted my motion she exploded again and succeeded in nearly having herself jailed on contempt charges. He had her escorted from the building.
No, she was not crazy. Just out of control, blaming the world for her inability to take care of her business. To her benefit she is now represented by the Public Defender and will likely accept the deal I will offer, plea to the original charge (Improper Backing) pay a small fine ($50), court costs from both cases, and restitution for the victim. Ironically the random draw puts her back in front of the same Magistrate.
This is not punishment for her demand for trial...heck, I love trials. Its an understanding that BOTH sides have that right. If she chooses to maintain a not guilty plea the State has the right to a timely trial to prove her guilt. I had the right to try this case when it was originally scheduled, when my witnesses were present and ready (I checked, I had three people and an Officer).
All she had to do was show up on time...not two years late. Then all she had to do was show a little reason and civility, she chose not to. Its pretty much all on her.
H
"Hero. I have come to respect you." "I am forced to agree with Hero here."- Chrisisall, 2009.
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Sheeple dogs for the NWO slaughterhouse
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Originally posted by Niki2:
I know I currently am a pretty staunch liberal
Operatives use the tactic of divide and conquer. Your sith mind tricks won't work here.
Communism (Democratic Party) and fascisim (Republican Party) are both kosher socialism (British Empire owned by kosher Rothschild banksters).
Patriots are libertarian constitutionalists. Everyone else is guilty of treason.
Under US Code, the punishment for treason is death.
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18 US Code § 2381. Treason
Whoever, owing allegiance to the United States, levies war against them or adheres to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort within the United States or elsewhere, is guilty of treason and shall suffer death, or shall be imprisoned not less than five years and fined under this title but not less than $10,000; and shall be incapable of holding any office under the United States.
Capt Malcolm Reynolds BTW shot a cop in the head and waged civil war. He's a BDH. He's a Deist like the Founding Fathers (God made the universe then went on holiday, so get off your ass and watch your back).
Now go wave your Commie flag, so we can see you more clearly from a distance.
Red Chinese flag flies near White House
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Also a lot of very strange people who were into insane conspiracy theories tended to be attracted to Firefly - I think it was the whole River/Blue Sun subplot
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