Objects in Space - River's wanderings

POSTED BY: Rabit
UPDATED: Tuesday, June 29, 2004 03:45
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ZARK1976

Tuesday, June 22, 2004 10:14 PM

Can we move this in a not-jayne's-fault direction?

J/k just wanted to use the quote.

Could be he's harboring some resentment at us for putting his man through our engine.

JESS

Thursday, June 24, 2004 4:35 AM

I had wondered about this. I thought that possibly she was doing something to make them not notice her. Or just being very quiet, since I don't think anyone looked at her besides what they 'said' when she was reading her mind, which didn't actually happen.

MER

Thursday, June 24, 2004 4:19 PM

What about the gun? Could it have come from Wash's truck thingy? I also question if she went into one of the rooms to steal it while her mind wandered around.

I would think she's walking around and nobody's paying attention to her. I wish I knew why she had pictured everything as leaves and sticks. O_o I just hope the Blue Hands don't mask things to get 'jobs done'. Like you're in LaLa land while yout body's off killing people.

SYDNI64

Thursday, June 24, 2004 4:31 PM

In "Shindig," the others seem not to notice River in the kitchen until she starts freaking out with the cans and boxes. River's actions are probably generally so incomprehensible to everyone else that they just tend to ignore her, so much so that they don't even notice they're doing it. While I thought it was odd that she was walking about undetected in OIS, I think it's still plausible that she simply wasn't noticed. In fact, when the theory that she has "become the ship" is refuted at the end, Joss seems to be poking fun at the viewers and at the characters. He's teasing us: "Did you really think that River could *become* a *ship*?!" I think he's telling us that the Firefly 'verse is strange, but not *that* strange, River's spooky, but not *that* spooky and her abilities are not *that* far-fetched, and it's a reminder not to take certain sci-fi standbys for granted on his show. It seems to me that invisibility would come under the same heading as that.

THEREALME

Saturday, June 26, 2004 9:49 AM

Soon after the gun is taken from River (next scene?), Mal and Jayne are talking about this. Jayne and Mal both agree that it is Jayne's gun. But Jayne protests that he wouldn't leave his hardware lying about.

I believe him. Guns are a serious business for Jayne, and Jayne might still be concerned that River will find a gun lying about and use it to shoot him! Kill him with her mind? Maybe, but a gun works just fine, too!

Anyway, Mal and Jayne go on to talk about it being impossible to get into the gun lockers without the combination. Around this time is the "Not in Janye's fault direction" quote.

I think it's obvious. For some reason that is not yet clear, River decided that she needed a gun. She read the mind of Jayne or someone with the combination, and got a gun.

Since it was fully loaded with the safety off, I think it is clear that River was READY to use it, all the while being oblivious as to what it was that she was holding.

She's scary!

I think she got a gun ready to oppose Jubal Early, whose "voice" woke her near the start of the episode. Of course, when everybody gets freaked out that River has a gun, it blows her concentration and she becomes "wacky fun" River again.

Right. And I am also of the opinion that River's body was down in the cargo bay playing with a gun while her mind wandered around reading the minds of the rest of the crew.

The Real Me

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KALIMEERI

Saturday, June 26, 2004 12:05 PM

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Originally posted by THEREALME:

I think she got a gun ready to oppose Jubal Early, whose "voice" woke her near the start of the episode. Of course, when everybody gets freaked out that River has a gun, it blows her concentration and she becomes "wacky fun" River again.

Right. And I am also of the opinion that River's body was down in the cargo bay playing with a gun while her mind wandered around reading the minds of the rest of the crew.

The Real Me

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I may be the only one, but I don't really think River can kill with her brain. This is her idea of a 'joke' on Jayne because that's what spooks him most about her, and she knows it. Since Simon is into threatening... she's saying to Jayne 'don't mess with me, either.'

I agree that she is not physically there, listening to the crew. A strange voice woke her, and she's trying to find and identify it, using her Alliance-enhanced mental power. Where she got the gun is anybody's guess, but I don't see Jayne being careless. Experts aren't careless, and he's all about guns.

She's afraid of guns; even tho she does pick one up in War Stories, she had to close her eyes and make the shooting into a mathematical equation. The 'twig' thing may be her attempt to see the weapon differently, to rationalize it.

Jen dao mei.

THEREALME

Saturday, June 26, 2004 3:10 PM

I was half joking about the "killing with the brain thing".

But only half joking.

The Real Me

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DEANNAMAY

Saturday, June 26, 2004 11:33 PM

I need to go back and watch that episode, because I could have sworn they had both Simon and Kaylee smiling at her, after Simon did his thing about saying he would be there now. I have a faulty memory, so perhaps I am remembering that wrong. I do agree that how she got the gun is a mystery, and why she wasn't seen carrying it about the ship as she walked around.

NEDWARD

Sunday, June 27, 2004 12:59 AM

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Originally posted by kalimeeri:
I may be the only one, but I don't really think River can kill with her brain. This is her idea of a 'joke' on Jayne because that's what spooks him most about her, and she knows it.

Agreed. Direct brain-killage would seem as unlikely as ship-melding, and Joss vetoed that in OiS, so...

What I can't decide is if the line is (a) the writers playing it for a laugh, (b) River knowingly using what spooks Jayne, or (c) River stating the obvious in her wacky way. After all, guns don't kill people ("It's just an object..."), people do, so every time we kill, we kill with our brains. From a certain point of view.

GUNRUNNER

Sunday, June 27, 2004 3:32 AM

Has anyone noticed that River got Jayne's gun and he says he dosn't leave his hardware laying around but in The Message he leaves his door open with his guns laying on a table for Tracy to get and shoot Wash with!

I guess he dosn't leave his guns unsecured unless there is someone he wants off the ship to get it.

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