Defying Gravity cancelled

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KWICKO

Thursday, October 8, 2009 12:10 AM

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Okay, were they at Venus yet? Close? If so, there WOULD be time lag.

Yah, because it's not like tech advances over time. Go back even 10 year and try to transfer 1G and see what happens.

Go forward 10 years and see if the speed of light has changed. That's one of the weakest arguments I've seen you try to make.

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But wait - then there's one of my OTHER favorite shows: Mad Men. It's a show in which it seems like almost nothing ever really happens on screen; it's all alluded to, hinted at. It's very "French" in its storytelling. And no tits or explosions at all.

So why would I watch that? And yet, I can't take my eyes off it.

Never liked that show. It tries to hard to be something that it's not. I mean, it tries, but misses the mark because it's trying too hard.

Funny, I thought the same thing about Defying Gravity. Apparently, viewers and critics agree with ONE of us...

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Sorry, but you've already negated your own argument. Dollhouse's big problem is the same as Defying Gravity's: It's just a shitty show, poorly written, poorly executed, with nothing to keep my interest or keep me watching. Sorry that your imagination is so weak that you need a McGuffin (or some hidden "thing" as you put it) to keep your interest in a show, but some of us would rather watch a show that's actually going somewhere, rather than one in which any resolution is always nebulous and just beyond the horizon - forever.

Defying Gravity actually has good writing. It's just that they aren't always talking about some grand big bad or something. THAT is what Dollhouse is doing. "Oh, the big bad dollhouse and the exploited people." Etc, etc, etc. It's the same thing over and over again. Defying Gravity on the other hand actually has this thing called progression. People didn't know about Beta, now they do, now they are dealing with it. That also brought up other questions like why that one chick couldn't see Beta. Etc.

Dollhouse, the hole never gets deeper. Defying Gravity, every step provides a more rich history of the characters and/or provides more questions about what's going to happen.

Sorry, but I just found it dull, with dull on top, and a side order of dull. The hole didn't get deeper; it got duller.

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As was yours.

Actually, I said quite a bit. At least far more than beating my own chest about how much I read. Kinda a difference there ya know.

I didn't see you actually SAYING anything, except to be overly condescending to others. By the way, wasn't it YOU who was beating your chest about how much you read, and how if any of us ever actually READ sci-fi, we'd be oh-so-much-more-impressed by that shitty Defying Gravity show?

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By the way, I don't confuse television for reading. If I want to explore a story deeply and watch characters unfold, a book is pretty much always going to be better than a movie. A good series, though, can do it pretty well AND keep the viewer interested at the same time. Television is a far more "passive" medium than reading, and as such needs to hew to a different set of values and rules. If you don't agree, then why don't you go produce a TV show of someone reading a book on screen?

Just because a TV show is typically something doesn't mean it can't be something else. Or that it hasn't been something else before/currently. Don't be so narrow minded.

EDIT: Btw, Defying Gravity DID have something resolved every episode. I would suggest that you go back and actually watch the show.

No thanks. Been there, done that. Tried it. It sucked. Dull, dull, dull. And why would I want to go back and watch it again NOW? I mean, it's canceled, so it's not like there's

CHRISISALL

Thursday, October 8, 2009 5:59 PM

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If you prefer science fiction then let me say "The Forever War" by Joe Haldeman was a fine read.

That was great. Mezmerizing. I'm still shocked no one's ever made a motion picture out of it...

The laughing Chrisisall

TRAVELER

Friday, October 9, 2009 12:49 AM

Hello Chrisisall:

"The Forever War" was recommended to me buy the owner of a book store I haunt. He noticed my buying habits and suggested it. And I agree, this would make a good film.

http://www.imdb.com/mymovies/list?l=28764731
Traveler

CHRISISALL

Friday, October 9, 2009 12:56 AM

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And I agree, this would make a good film.

In the right hands (Joss or a Kubrick-inspired Speilberg, not Michael Bay) it would be on of the greatest SF movies ever.
IMO.

The laughing Chrisisall

SIGMANUNKI

Friday, October 9, 2009 6:47 AM

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Go forward 10 years and see if the speed of light has changed. That's one of the weakest arguments I've seen you try to make.

It's not a weak argument. You're just missing the point. New tech and new physics are always on the horizon. If you can't see how that might change things, then I don't know what to tell you.

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Funny, I thought the same thing about Defying Gravity. Apparently, viewers and critics agree with ONE of us...

And on a related jumping off a bridge issue...

EDIT: Just popped in my head that you're kind of defeating yourself being on a FIREFLY forum and all.

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Sorry, but I just found it dull, with dull on top, and a side order of dull. The hole didn't get deeper; it got duller.

There's a difference between you not liking where they where taking it and the hole not getting deeper. In other words, did we learn more about the characters, there interactions, get more questions than answers regarding the past/future, etc? Yes, we did. Whether one likes it or not is an entirely different question.

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I didn't see you actually SAYING anything, except to be overly condescending to others. By the way, wasn't it YOU who was beating your chest about how much you read, and how if any of us ever actually READ sci-fi, we'd be oh-so-much-more-impressed by that shitty Defying Gravity show?

Reading what I wrote and reading into what I wrote are two very different things. You did the latter.

Also, I never went on about how much I read. I just mentioned that if people read, that the pace of Defying Gravity wouldn't be such an issue. It was Traveler that went off about how much and what (s)he read. Being exceedingly condescending on his/her own accord I might add. I just made a general comment (I did not use the word "you", I used the word "people"), whereas (s)he directed a comment at me specifically. You can go back and re-read the posts if you want to confirm that. They are right above.

I will not take responsibility for Traveler's insecurities.

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No thanks. Been there, done that. Tried it. It sucked. Dull, dull, dull. And why would I want to go back and watch it again NOW? I mean, it's canceled, so it's not like there's ever going to be any resolution NOW, right? Just more dullness.

Kwicko, missing the point again.

Defying Gravity had everything but a fast pace. And because of that people are saying things like the acting was bad, which is so far from the truth it isn't funny. Similarly for everything else. So, I'm going to just leave it like that.

Oh, and mention that we can now bask in the glow of the good new shows like FlashForward where an example of bad acting can be found in any scene that has the main character in it. There's also the poorly written and directed Eastwick (which is too bad, I really like Paul Gross). Etc.

Hurray for the lowest common denominator!!!

EDIT 2: Funny how the show actually hasn't been cancelled:

http://thefutoncritic.com/news.aspx?id=8293

And those last eps that have been filmed are continuing to air in Canada.

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TDBROWN

Friday, October 30, 2009 1:55 AM

You can watch all 13 episodes of DG Here:

http://ch131.com/

Look under TV Shows. I've really gotten hooked on this show. I hope someone picks it up and carries it on. But alas, I fear it will have a Firefly-like fate, without a DG Film.

"Might have been the losing side, still not convinced it was the wrong one." -Mal

SIGMANUNKI

Friday, October 30, 2009 1:58 AM

True. It was left with so many questions unanswered. And I found out a little bit ago that the set was torn down.

*sigh*

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I am on The Original List (twice). We are The Forsaken and we aim to burn!
"We don't fear the reaper"

TDBROWN

Friday, October 30, 2009 2:04 AM

http://www.tvshowsondvd.com/news/Defying-Gravity-DVDs-Announced/12882

Looks like it will be on DVD, which is good.

"Might have been the losing side, still not convinced it was the wrong one." -Mal

SIGMANUNKI

Friday, October 30, 2009 2:31 AM

Beauty

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"We don't fear the reaper"

IMNOTHERE

Sunday, November 8, 2009 1:16 PM

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Go forward 10 years and see if the speed of light has changed. That's one of the weakest arguments I've seen you try to make.

It's not a weak argument. You're just missing the point. New tech and new physics are always on the horizon. If you can't see how that might change things, then I don't know what to tell you.

No, you can't predict where technology will go in 10 years - and the 20th century has certainly seen some ideas go from first principles to reality in frighteningly (esp. when the "reality" is a radioactive crater) short times.

However, if you are speculating then some developments are far less likely than others. The idea that information can never travel faster than light is a fundamental and very well tested tenet of modern physics. Don't confuse the light barrier with the sound barrier (or older pundits who speculated on the Victorian equivalent of chat shows that humans couldn't survive abouve 30mph). Newton might get the crew as far as Venus, but if Einstein is wrong then Mercury ain't gonna be where they think its gonna be

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FTL travel and communication is a bit of a stretch even for far-future stories like Trek - but in that case they have had a few hundred years to re-write the physics books, with help from friendly aliens (note that in Babylon 5, all the magic tech like jumpgates and artificial gravity has been acquired from aliens).

In a show which attempts to depict a plausible near-future, having FTL communication is a lapse. Especially since dramas spend so much time contriving reasons why someone can't just pick up the phone and sort it all out: you'd think they'd grab at a legitimate reason to make communication difficult for their protagonists.

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