Am I the only one in these parts that thinks Spider-man 3 was a good flick?
POSTED BY: chrisisall
UPDATED: Monday, November 2, 2009 22:53
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Originally posted by chrisisall:
What if, as a CHOICE, they had made Spider-man's costume gray, with frilly web-things floating around his head?
IF there was a valid story reason, handled well, I could accept it. To do it just to do it - no.
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BTW, the thing with Peter letting the guy get mugged in 2 WAS lazy writing, it was to shock us despite what we know about his character.
Disagree. It flies in the face of his character as Spider-Man, but works just fine with plain-ol Peter Parker, which is what he was at the time. He was experiencing an existential crisis of character which regressed him to his prior, more selfish and cowardly state.
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I disagree. I *think* you just have really high expectations.
I expect a level of competency in storytelling from an established filmmaker working with the biggest budget ever, yeah. I don't consider it a particularly high expectation to think they should be able to adequately do their job, with all the resources they need readily at hand.
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It certainly isn't great. It IS a bit of a mess. BUT, it IS entertaining from a certain point of view.
Not mine. But sure, even Carrot Top is entertaining to some.
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Story, you will find many of the truths we cling to depend greatly upon our own point of view.
Cute.
"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."
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Quote:Okay, I see almost all of what you're saying, and agree with it to degrees, but this ONE point I seriously believe you're actually wrong on. Pete was never a coward. And after losing Ben to a bit of street violence, his empathy, his REAL empathy would trump any momentary emotional crisis, no matter how twisted up he was in it.
Originally posted by Storymark:Quote:
Originally posted by chrisisall:
BTW, the thing with Peter letting the guy get mugged in 2 WAS lazy writing, it was to shock us despite what we know about his character.
Disagree. It flies in the face of his character as Spider-Man, but works just fine with plain-ol Peter Parker, which is what he was at the time. He was experiencing an existential crisis of character which regressed him to his prior, more selfish and cowardly state.
S3 was a good flick, but not a particularly good *movie*. K?
The laughing Chrisisall
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Originally posted by Dewrastler:
Personally, I thought the this movie should have been solely about Peter and Harry. That's what the other two movies have been building up to. No other villains necessary.
Ugh. I absolutely hated that part of the story. In the second movie when Harry finds out Pete is Spidey all he had to say was "I didn't kill your dad the green goblin did". It doesn't out his Dad and he can just say he never told him cause he was protecting his identity as spiderman to help people. Done and done. No he avoids the easy, obvious solution and instead opts for the deadly fight through the skyline of the city. Please.
For the amount of material they tried to pack into that movie I could have done without the travolta walk, the harry and MJ cooking scene, the pete and gwen dance, and then entire amnesia story. I would rather see much more time spent on venom as a bad guy. I would rather have seen symbiote Pete cross some sort of line in the public eye (good J.J. subplot) and let Harry go green goblin in order to stop evil spidey. That I'd believe.
I think they basically wasted too much time in the movie and wasted good characters in Gwen and Venom.
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Quote:Okay, I see almost all of what you're saying, and agree with it to degrees, but this ONE point I seriously believe you're actually wrong on. Pete was never a coward. And after losing Ben to a bit of street violence, his empathy, his REAL empathy would trump any momentary emotional crisis, no matter how twisted up he was in it.
Originally posted by chrisisall:Quote:
Originally posted by Storymark:Quote:
Originally posted by chrisisall:
BTW, the thing with Peter letting the guy get mugged in 2 WAS lazy writing, it was to shock us despite what we know about his character.
Disagree. It flies in the face of his character as Spider-Man, but works just fine with plain-ol Peter Parker, which is what he was at the time. He was experiencing an existential crisis of character which regressed him to his prior, more selfish and cowardly state.
S3 was a good flick, but not a particularly good *movie*. K?
The laughing Chrisisall
Okay, so perhaps "coward" wasn't the best choice of words. Maybe "passive" would be better. And sure, he changed after Ben's death, but his self image and concept of justice were wrapped around his abilities - the "great power/great responsibility" shtick. Without the power, he didn't feel the responsibility, and returned to being the passive person who didn't think he could make a difference. It's not that he doesn't empathize, doesn't care, or wishes to see the other guy get hurt - he's just so low at that point that he doesn't think he can make a difference.
"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."
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Quote:While I basically agree, I also understand that suits has their demands in the mix. It's a mess, but IMO a pretty good mess, as messes go.
Originally posted by Zeek:
I think they basically wasted too much time in the movie and wasted good characters in Gwen and Venom.
The laughing Chrisisall
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Quote:Nope. I still don't buy it, despite your patented eloquence. Years of being Spidey had to develope a deep hero complex in the boy.
Originally posted by Storymark:
It's not that he doesn't empathize, doesn't care, or wishes to see the other guy get hurt - he's just so low at that point that he doesn't think he can make a difference.
Anyway, I felt the power loss thing was poorly reasoned anyway. In the comic that inspired the story, he just gave it up out of frustration (Costume in trash on cover), not some dopey pyschosomatic "condition."
I think there was one where he thought his powers were diminishing, then it turned out he just had the flu, if memory serves that far back.
The laughing Chrisisall
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But he wasn't Spidey anymore. And had only been Spidey for a little over a year, maybe 2, at that point. And people can and have regressed more in less time. The whole point was, his spirit was broken. People don't tend to be heroic when they're broken.
Ah, if only you applied the critical eye you are turning on this one scene to.... well, everything in 3.....
"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."
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Originally posted by Dewrastler:
Personally, I thought the this movie should have been solely about Peter and Harry. That's what the other two movies have been building up to. No other villains necessary.
Ugh. I absolutely hated that part of the story. In the second movie when Harry finds out Pete is Spidey all he had to say was "I didn't kill your dad the green goblin did". It doesn't out his Dad and he can just say he never told him cause he was protecting his identity as spiderman to help people. Done and done. No he avoids the easy, obvious solution and instead opts for the deadly fight through the skyline of the city. Please.
He doesn't want to lie to his friend. And he does try and talk to Harry about what really happened, and Harry won't listen. He had to save MJ in 2, so no time there. And in 3 Harry ignores him b/c he is fueled by rage. It's a great part of the comics and should have been the full story in this movie.
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Quote:I can, and I agree about all the coincidences being loopy, the script feeling lame & the villains doing time-share, but no one was out of character. That one scene in S2 made me ultimately sell my copy after one viewing (I saw it on DVD first) out of anger. After I bought 3, I found S2.5 at Buymore & re-bought it, but with cool extended scenes, PLUS a moment cut from the theatrical that showed Ock's arms defending against Spidey in a way that made their whole first fight make more sense to me!
Originally posted by Storymark:
Ah, if only you applied the critical eye you are turning on this one scene to.... well, everything in 3.....
THWIP!
The laughing Chrisisall
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Quote:Y'know, would agree with that, except I think we needed a REAL bad guy in it. Someone like Venom or Brock that we could not feel bad about getting killed. Then again, I wouldn't have killed Harry.
Originally posted by Dewrastler:
It's a great part of the comics and should have been the full story in this movie.
Frak.
They should have just let me & Story write the damn thing, then it would have been perfect, and we'd be posting in different threads like: "Storymark & Chrisisall hit superhero gold with Spider-man 3!!!"
The laughing Chrisisall
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