Don'tcha love their 'logic'?
POSTED BY: Niki2
UPDATED: Friday, October 30, 2009 03:04
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Originally posted by dreamtrove:
I'd like to see the sticker price on the product (the us healthcare system) go down from $4T, not up. Quality could us some work to.
Nancy Pelosi introduced a plan with a public option that they estimate will only cost 980-ish billion, and that will lower the federal deficit every year. Supposedly. I haven't read it, but that's the word from the Congressional Budget Office.
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Quote:Actually, I don't. Even in the example that you cite below, my comments were topical. You simply chose to evade the topic and instead respond to....
I'm not. There's plenty of your cronies, as well as you, who use insult rather than topical response.
Quote:It was a joke, and it wasn't even directed at you.
the obligatory insult
Quote:So, once again you resort to putting words in people's mouths and attributing thoughts and attitudes to others?
I get the feeling that your ideal RWED would be as follows:
PN posts stuff which everyone reads but ignores.
Every once in a while, someone posts "Capitalism (or Insurance Companies, or Bill Gates, or whatever) is Evil". The chorus responds with "Yea verily. Evil. Evil. Most evil indeed." If any apostate has the temerity to question this pronouncement, the cries of "Blasphemer", "Unmutual", "Dick", "Corporatist", etc. rain down until the unbeleiver decides it's not worth their time, and leaves. Peace and Kumbayas return and everyone feels justified
Appparently, you missed my actual posts about capitalism. So let me remind you of what I've actually said, as opposed to what seems to be echoing in your skull:
Capitalism is very good at some things, and production efficiency is one of them. In its expansionary phase, when profit is turned to reinvestment, new production technologies are implemented which allow more to be done with less. Another positive aspect is demand-driven production.
However, capitalism has some serious flaws. For one thing it is unstable because it aids the concentration of wealth, which causes demand to drop and the economy to slow down in a self-reinforcing downward cycle. Another problem is that it doesn't reward work, but instead rewards ownership and greed. A third problem is that market forces can't address the problems of "the commons".
I've had a fine time discussing the upsides and downsides of capitalism, the several possible alternatives which would preserve its positive aspects but eliminate the negative ones. But neoliberals, laissez faire capitalists, and capito-libertarians have elevated capitalism as the goal of our economy rather than one of several means towards prosperity, and refuse to consider the possibility that capitalism may not, after all, be the solution to all of our problems.
What about you?
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bump for Geezer
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OK, I'll go along.
bump for Geezer
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Silence is consent.
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I trust Pelosi as far as I can throw an elephant.
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Heh. True enough.
But since you were talking about price tags, I thought I'd mention it.
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Originally posted by dreamtrove:
I trust Pelosi as far as I can throw an elephant.
Then you still trust her more than I do. ;)
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What I'd like to see are the real bills being debated. Yeah, I know... they're 1900 pages... subject to change... written in language that would put a meth head to sleep... but still. Transparency would be nice, 'cause all we have to go on are rumors and rumors of rumors.
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I'm not sure how much it costs to buy Nancy Pelosi
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Prolly less than it costs to buy Lieberman. Bet ya dollars to donuts Lieberman is looking at a nice, cushy consulting job with an insurance when he leaves the Senate at the end of his term. (Don't let the door hitcha on the way about, ya backstabbing maroon!)
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