Am I the only one in these parts that thinks Spider-man 3 was a good flick?
POSTED BY: chrisisall
UPDATED: Monday, November 2, 2009 22:53
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Originally posted by TheSomnambulist:
That said. If you love it, then let no-one (myself included) spoil your enjoyment of it. Your celebration of it is as legit as anyone's disliking of it.
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Hey, aren't you the one who actually LIKES the SW prequels ? 
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I just have to say, because of this thread I had to watch Spider-man 3 again today. And you know what, it wasn't as bad as I remembered.
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Originally posted by Dewrastler:
I just have to say, because of this thread I had to watch Spider-man 3 again today. And you know what, it wasn't as bad as I remembered.
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I never thought it was 'bad'. I actually liked it. But there was just TOO much going on.
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I think all the Spiderman movies are great. It's a great cast, and it's always very entertaining. Feel the same way about the Fantastic Four movies. Escapism doesn't have to mean logical or scientific perfection for me. In fact I like it better when it all just rushes at me in the theater. If there's something special about the movie, I will become more of a critic after I watch it on DVD a few hundred times.
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I think 3 had some great action, and some interesting themes it was playing with, but I felt the script was pretty near terrible. The plot is driven by coincidence and contrivances, rather than events developing based on organic character choices. The first time I watched it, I thought it was weak, on rewatch, it kinda pissed me off with it's sloppiness in storytelling.
Actually, I'm being too kind - it was a shit film. 2 is far and away the best of the series - and you ask why? Answer: A solid script.
But this is what happens when a studio strong-arms a filmmaker into doing what they think will sell more merchandise instead of what makes a good story. Raimi never wanted Venom in the film, and was forced to shoe-horn him into the story, and it shows. Even Raimi calls the movie a mess.
Here's a good article by screenwriter John August (Charlie & The Choc Factory, worked on Titan AE with Joss) about the problems in the movie. He's actually just using it as an example of what not to do when writing, but it applies to the conversation:
http://johnaugust.com/archives/2007/perils-of-coincidence
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Quote:That was a REALLY good piece, something to consider when writing. However, I don't care when it comes to Spider-man, see, in the first one I GOT OVER the fact that they were using Mary Jane instead of Gwen Stacy, and that the actress they picked for MJ was, how shall I put this, not quite the knockout I was used to in the comics. In the second I GOT OVER that Peter left tht guy in the alley to be mugged, and that he got a pyschosomatic need to have his vision corrected by his old glasses.
Originally posted by Storymark:
http://johnaugust.com/archives/2007/perils-of-coincidence
No coincidence in the third one (And I agree there were some dumb ones, most notably the silent meteor) bugged me as much as the stuff in one or two.
That's my story, and I'm *sticking* to it!
The laughing Chrisisall
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Originally posted by Riverlove:
I think all the Spiderman movies are great. It's a great cast, and it's always very entertaining. Feel the same way about the Fantastic Four movies.
The laughing Chrisisall
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Originally posted by chrisisall:Quote:That was a REALLY good piece, something to consider when writing. However, I don't care when it comes to Spider-man, see, in the first one I GOT OVER the fact that they were using Mary Jane instead of Gwen Stacy, and that the actress they picked for MJ was, how shall I put this, not quite the knockout I was used to in the comics. In the second I GOT OVER that Peter left tht guy in the alley to be mugged, and that he got a pyschosomatic need to have his vision corrected by his old glasses.
Originally posted by Storymark:
http://johnaugust.com/archives/2007/perils-of-coincidence
No coincidence in the third one (And I agree there were some dumb ones, most notably the silent meteor) bugged me as much as the stuff in one or two.
That's my story, and I'm *sticking* to it!
The laughing Chrisisall
A change from the comic (MJ over Gwen) is a writing choice - not poor writing, as evidenced by 3. The stuff with Peter loosing his power (and eyesight and drive for justice) had a thematic through-line that made sense for the story.
I can "get over" changes from the source material just fine, if they make sense and are done for a plausible reason.
That is not the same as lazy writing. I choose not to "get over" bad writing, because there is no excuse for it. You may not care because it's Spider-Man, but to me, the source is irrelevant, and never an excuse for lousy storytelling (see Transformers 2 as a prime example).
If you like it - cool. But it's not a good movie.
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Quote:What if, as a CHOICE, they had made Spider-man's costume gray, with frilly web-things floating around his head?
Originally posted by Storymark:
I can "get over" changes from the source material just fine, if they make sense and are done for a plausible reason.
BTW, the thing with Peter letting the guy get mugged in 2 WAS lazy writing, it was to shock us despite what we know about his character.
Quote:I disagree. I *think* you just have really high expectations. It certainly isn't great. It IS a bit of a mess. BUT, it IS entertaining from a certain point of view.
it's not a good movie.
Story, you will find many of the truths we cling to depend greatly upon our own point of view.
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