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Racism ??? Naww ... whatever gave you THAT idea ?

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HKCAVALIER

Thursday, October 22, 2009 2:38 AM

I have a few thoughts about this. One thing: I think the racism isn't just the desire to remove a man of unacceptable race from the Presidency by any means necessary, though clearly that is there, but it also has to do with black people being considered second class citizens by white racists--so, the level of respect such people normally hold for the office and the honor of the man holding it, is greatly reduced when he's a black man. They don't care as much about this current President as they would a white one, so they let rip, as it were, with how they really feel--you know, who cares if he hears us, he's just a black man (this is where Limbaugh's at, f'rinstance). Similarly, there may be a knee-jerk urge to scare Obama back "in his place."

Also, it's understood that a child tends to yell at the parent he trusts and only praises the parent he fears. We've just had 8 years of only praising "dad" or being branded a traitor, and now here's "mom," as it were, coming into the room promising kindness and extra helpings if we're good, and some folks have chosen to stand with their arms folded yelling, "I HATE YOU I HATE YOU I HATE YOU!!!" These are the folks who will, I think, eventually get over it and move on. But the racist stuff, that's gonna be a generational shift at best.

And just a note on racism: it's not an "ism" like "socialism" or "libertarianism." Those ism's are generally considered to be conscious choices, based on consciously chosen ethics. Racism, on the other hand, implies no such conscious control or even awareness of its influence on our actions. So a man denying vociferously that he is racist, isn't getting any traction because whether or not he's racist is a matter of psychology, not politics (I, o' course, see politics as first psychological and only THEN a matter of choice and persuasion, but I'm weird like that).

HKCavalier

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KWICKO

Thursday, October 22, 2009 3:34 AM

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And just a note on racism: it's not an "ism" like "socialism" or "libertarianism." Those ism's are generally considered to be conscious choices, based on consciously chosen ethics. Racism, on the other hand, implies no such conscious control or even awareness of its influence on our actions. So a man denying vociferously that he is racist, isn't getting any traction because whether or not he's racist is a matter of psychology, not politics (I, o' course, see politics as first psychological and only THEN a matter of choice and persuasion, but I'm weird like that).

But that's not to say that you can't CHOOSE not to give in to it. I was raised around racists, have racists in my family, but at some point I made a conscious choice to ask - first myself, then others - "Why do you say that? Why do you THINK that? Why would you believe that?"

And once you've gotten into that and started asking and answering those questions, the rest just seems to fall away, so easy as to be natural.

Mike

Let the wild rumpus start!

NIKI2

Thursday, October 22, 2009 7:49 AM

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And each time you would look even more stupid. So go ahead ... keep at it.

That about sums it up. I go away, and when I come back I see the same bullshit from Wulf, snarky little posts about nothing. You must want an awful lot of attention, Wulf, and not be able to get it in real life.

Frem with all his "educate him, don't snark" doesn't get a lot of traction from me, when I see the stuff you post. Too bad you don't have anything of substance to offer. Pity.

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JEWELSTAITEFAN

Thursday, October 22, 2009 10:02 AM

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Originally posted by Wulfenstar:
Somnambulistic public: "Gahhhh.... racism is everywhere....2300% increase in racism... brains... need more funds to protect head zombie.... slurp slurp slurp....."

Hehehe. Its October folks, I could do this all month.

lol

Somehow, the looney lefty libs have completely forgotten how Clinton topped off the record books with assasination attempts and vitriole attacks, must be those racists are against adopted kids or white people, or redneck AGs. Then Bush dispelled the problem, angry Americans dropped precipitously, and now those who hated Clinton are back in force. Yup, looney lefties are jumping to irrational conclusions that all the reasonable and rational people are suddenly racist. Duh.

And hey, if rational and reasonable people (aka conservatives) are supposed to be racist just because some troll is in the White House, why do they keep supporting folk like Clarence Thomas, JC Watts, Condolezza Rice? Are you guys really so dim you cannot see the illogic inherent in your looney claims?
I'm having difficulty thinking of people in terms of their racial basis, but I'm thinking Michelle Malkin would also not get support from racists. And maybe Colin Powell.

KWICKO

Thursday, October 22, 2009 12:10 PM

Here's the kind of stuff coming from your "rational and reasonable people", JSF:

By the way, the guy who sent around that last image in an e-mail? Yeah, he's back in the hunt, helping the GOP organize their resistance to health care for Americans.

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Florida neurosurgeon David McKalip is back in the thick of the fight to stop health-care reform -- just over two months after pledging to withdraw from the public debate on the issue in the wake of a furor set off when TPMmuckraker published a racist email he sent showing President Obama as a witch doctor.

Over the weekend, McKalip emailed a fellow activist, reporting that he had been at a conservative medical association meeting, with leaders of the anti-reform movement, including GOP congressmen Tom Price and Paul Broun, anti-reform writer and activist Betsy McCaughey, and Tea Party coordinator Amy Kremer. Conservative doctors and their allies have been organizing in recent days in response to the White House's event this morning featuring pro-reform doctors.

http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/2009/10/florida_doc_who_sent
_obama_witch-doctor_email_stil.php

Seems "rational and reasonable", right? Remember, JSF, THESE are the people with whom you're aligning yourself. These are YOUR heroes, the ones you look up to as "real" conservatives.

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Somehow, the looney lefty libs have completely forgotten how Clinton topped off the record books with assasination attempts and vitriole attacks, must be those racists are against adopted kids or white people, or redneck AGs. Then Bush dispelled the problem...

I'm sorry - can you translate that to English? You seem to be using some language and logic known only to yourself and PirateCat. I usually refer to his posts as Genuine American Frontier Gibberish; looks like you suffer from the same affliction.

Mike

Let the wild rumpus start!

JONGSSTRAW

Thursday, October 22, 2009 1:13 PM

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Originally posted by Kwicko:
Here's the kind of stuff coming from your "rational and reasonable people. Seems "rational and reasonable", right? Remember, JSF, THESE are the people with whom you're aligning yourself. These are YOUR heroes, the ones you look up to as "real" conservatives.

Somehow, the looney lefty libs have completely forgotten how Clinton topped off the record books with assasination attempts and vitriole attacks, must be those racists are against adopted kids or white people, or redneck AGs. Then Bush dispelled the problem...

In this Nixon-bunker mentality White House EVERYONE who disagrees with Obama's disasterous policies is now called a racist. These vile Chicago thugs surrounding Obama called Bill Clinton a racist during the campaign. They called Geraldine Ferraro a racist during the campaign. They will call ANYBODY a racist when they have to. And don't ever forgot what the Dems & Liberals had to say originally about Colin Powell & Condi Rice. As the FIRST African-Americans to hold those high offices, they were simply dismissed & demeaned as Uncle Toms by Liberals. Its' reached a point where it means NOTHING anymore, perhaps even a badge of honor to be called a racist by those who promised to heal the nation, those who promised to unite everyone. They also promised openness in Govt! I guess the first step would be to actually have the Legislators read the bills they pass, or even open up these closed door sessions, or put the shit on the web. Nope...none of that with this Prez. No, instead these bullies have enemies, and they have a LIST! They strongarmed Chrysler, they strongarmed BOA, they are using Legislative retalitation against insurance companies for having THE NERVE to have an opposing view on Healthcare. It's typical of Chicago-style strong-arm politics. They've launched an investigation aimed at Humana. They are attacking Fox News. They are attacking the U.S. Chamber of Commerce because they, as a business-development organization, see the Dem's Cap & Tax and HC as catastrophic to our economy. They say even more jobs will be lost, and even more debt will be piled on top of the $ 1.4 trillion that Obama has racked up so far in his campaign to bankrupt America & destroy the value of the U.S.Dollar. They are encouraging and warning the Obama-thrill-down-their-leg media drones not to pick up on Fox stories. Never has an administration been so pathetically petty, so thin-skinned, and so utterly mis-guided as these clowns. Fox News is making fools of them every day....taunting them, calling them out for all their radicals running around the White House these days. It's only a matter of time before even the Obama-crazed media turns on him too, as even the NY Times is starting to jab a bit at Obama's waffling on Afghanistan. And that piece of shit idiot-propagandist Gibbs had his hands full with a WH reporter the other day from ABC who persisted in getting an answer as to their Fox attacks. He never got one.

On the Acorn thing...The House voted to cut off Acorn funding. ( Democrats, by the way)
The Senate voted to cut off Acorn funding.(Democrats, by the way)
The U.S. Census Bureau has cut off all ties with Acorn.
The Attorney General of Louisiana has a major criminal investigation into Acorn.
11 states have election fraud investigations against Acorn in progress.
Acorn has had millions of US tax dollars stolen from it over the years by top Acorn officials.
The Acorn offices videotaped by the 2 corruption-busters dealt not only with setting up illegal and fraudulent housing for a prostitution house, but also with smuggling in under-age girls, as young as 13 from Latin America.

Acorn is over, done, kaput. For you to try to defend them in any way is just another example of your willingness to defend anything that a Liberal group does, no matter how vile and heinous. You should be a bit concerned too that as these investigations move forward, Obama himself may be drawn into them. He was their attorney and served as their trainer and advisor. A

WULFENSTAR

Thursday, October 22, 2009 1:24 PM

You know whats funny?

I have CNN, and a few other so-called "mainstream media" sites up and running on a constant basis.

Here are 2 stories that popped up on screen, and then were quickly dumped to the back.

Remember the 'house of horrors" story in West Virginia?

http://www.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/10/21/assault.recanted/index.html

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/2009/10/21/2009-10-21_newark_
airport_security_guard_john_brek_arrested_for_making_threats_against_pres.html

CNN dumped this story from its front page PDQ yesterday.... but I found this one which reads,

"Gun-loving John Brek, 55, of Linden, N.J., was taken into custody after his co-workers reported a conversation they had at an airport coffee cart to authorities.."

"Brek is a Republican and a member of the National Rifle Association, his father told the Newark Star-Ledger."

So, accordingly, being a Republican, gun owner, and bitching about the President is a crime?

Now. I may not be the best person to voice this opinion, as some of my previous rants have skirted the edge of racism... but I do see stuff like this all the time....

Where headlines are flashed, then pulled down and rewritten, in order to make a "spot memory" that will last well beyond any recants. (Any psychologists here? I think I have the terminology wrong.)

Its a propaganda technique when communicating with the populace, and/or large groups of people.

(Btw, its one of the reasons I am so hard on folks here who rewrite their stuff AFTER they already post it. Also, why I would never do that.)

WULFENSTAR

Thursday, October 22, 2009 1:30 PM

Then there is this:

http://oathkeepers.org/oath/

Apparently there is a group of cops, military, firemen ect who have decided that they will NOT act on any un-Constitutional orders. Do we hear about them?

No.

THIS is the *important* headline.

http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/2308023/the_oathkeepers_need_
to_be_put_in_check.html?cat=9

WULFENSTAR

Thursday, October 22, 2009 1:57 PM

Bump, cause I see folks are discussing media manipulation in other posts.

ANTHONYT

Thursday, October 22, 2009 2:06 PM

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Originally posted by pizmobeach:
[B]@Anthony - and how much is fed by hate speech? How many of these people only find the courage to voice their anger when someone tells them it's ok to hate?

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It doesn't matter. I don't care how many bajillions of people hear someone tell them it's okay to do something stupid, and then follow. The cost of banning free speech is too high.

And the much easier means of countering hate speech seems to be completely lost on those who despise it. It seems so lazy to me that every time there is a problem, the first reaction is, "There oughta be a law."

No, there usually oughtn't to be.

You want to counter hate speech? Then make some love speech. You want to counter noise? Make some music.

--Anthony

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