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The gang rape and the Republicans

POSTED BY: Niki2
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Saturday, October 17, 2009 3:38 PM

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Originally posted by Niki2:

First, you are required to get over your initial disgust that such legislation is even necessary, that such clauses even exist and that the Pentagon is already doing business with such contractors (hi, Halliburton/KBR!), and that there has already been a truly horrible case validating it, wherein a 20-year-old female employee was allegedly gang-raped by contractors, locked in a shipping container, abused every way from Sunday, and found out later she was unable to sue.

Let us pause to imagine if, say, Wal-Mart had such a clause. Or maybe Toys 'R' Us. Starbucks. Let us imagine the appalled outcry. But Halliburton? Dick Cheney's vile little spitwad of shameless war profiteering? No problem. Hey, it's Republican-endorsed military contracting. No one said it was ethical.


Dick Cheney and his Halliburton always make me think of The Godfather 2, when Maffia's topman Hyman Roth talk about being in business with the corrupt Cuban government:

"What I am saying is, we have now what we have always needed, real partnership with the government."

Halliburton has managed to establish such a relationship with the U.S. government. War profiteering, sexual assault, robbing, these are severe criminal offences in any civilized country. But under Bush big business has essentially been given a licence to pillage, plunder, and rape with impunity.

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Here is where you try and do it. Here is where you try to figure out where to slot such wretched information, how to make even the slightest sense of it.


So true. Even when I say the above, part of me is trying to fight it off, trying to relativate it. But the unimaginable is all true.

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And then you discover a horrible truth: you can't. Turns out, when faced with such vileness, all filters fail. All balance is thrown off. You thought you had some sort of way to process and attain perspective? You are proven wrong.


Yep, that's exactly what's happening inside my head now. You try and reason they can't be ALL bad. And yet, there it is: out of the 68-30 cast, all Republicans voted on the side of evil; not a one had a conscience!

What happened? People have known, for a long time, that America is essentially run by big business. Now, this is, in and by itself, not immediately evil: after all, in a capitalist state it's only logical that those with the most capital will have the most influence (like the, overall benign, Blue Sun corp: they're huge, but as a whole not all-out evil per se). Under Bush, though, seems effectively a Coup took place: gross criminal conduct by big corporations has become sanctioned, backed up by Republican Senators who make every bit of sane action against these folks go away, along with introducing legislation now, apparently, that allows them to rape women.

As an outsider, I can only say: this situation in your country needs to be normalized. The Coup needs to be essentially reverted. Big corps, like Microsoft, or Haliburton, should become answerable again to the people, like everyone else. Cuz now it's madness. In point of fact.


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Sometimes I lie awake at night, and I ask, "Where have I gone wrong?" Then a voice says to me, "This is going to take more than one night." Charlie Brown

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Saturday, October 17, 2009 5:00 PM

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Originally posted by Geezer:
Here's the bill, (actually an amendment to the Defense Appropriations Bill HR.3326):

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SA 2588. Mr. FRANKEN (for himself and Ms. Landrieu) submitted an amendment intended to be proposed by him to the bill H.R. 3326, making appropriations for the Department of Defense for the fiscal year ending September 30, 2010, and for other purposes; as follows:


On page 245, between lines 8 and 9, insert the following:

Sec. 8104. (a) None of the funds appropriated or otherwise made available by this Act may be used for any existing or new Federal contract if the contractor or a subcontractor at any tier requires that an employee or independent contractor, as a condition of employment, sign a contract that mandates that the employee or independent contractor performing work under the contract or subcontract resolve through arbitration any claim under title VII of the Civil Rights Act of 1964 or any tort related to or arising out of sexual assault or harassment, including assault and battery, intentional infliction of emotional distress, false imprisonment, or negligent hiring, supervision, or retention.



And the victim, Jamie Lee Jones, will get her day in court.
http://www.nsvrc.org/news/news-field/1754

If you really wanna get scared, google "mandatory arbitration"




"Keep the Shiny side up"





Hello,

I see nothing objectionable in the Bill, and wonder why anyone would oppose it?

How did the House vote on this? I have a horse I'm betting on in that venue.

--Anthony

"Liberty must not be purchased at the cost of Humanity." --Captain Robert Henner

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Saturday, October 17, 2009 6:57 PM

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Originally posted by AnthonyT:
I see nothing objectionable in the Bill, and wonder why anyone would oppose it?



Only question I'd have is about the "... or negligent hiring, supervision, or retention." bit. This could end up being either a reasonable "I complained to management about harrassment and nothing was done to prevent the assualt so I'm suing the company", or the more tenuious "The company hired this guy and he assaulted me, so it's the company's fault and I'm suing them", especially if the guy in question had no record or history of assaults.

"Keep the Shiny side up"

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Saturday, October 17, 2009 7:25 PM

Hello,

As always, negligence is determined by the courts, and is an essential leg of any civil lawsuit. So, negligence would be at issue regardless.

--Anthony

"Liberty must not be purchased at the cost of Humanity." --Captain Robert Henner

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Saturday, October 17, 2009 10:01 PM


Y'all DO remember me saying that any attempt at reconciliation with the Republicans would be a fregmekkin disaster and the smartest them to do would be put the boot in while they're down and finish em off, right ?

You convinced yet ?

-F

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Saturday, October 17, 2009 10:34 PM

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Originally posted by Fremdfirma:
You convinced yet ?


Always was, my man.

BTW, got hit by a car last month on my bicycle because I wasn't watching the road well enough. Just cuts n' bruises, but this is the part that kicks my ass: the guy driving the car couldn't BELIEVE I didn't want to exchange info. He kept insisting that we should. I was freakin' OKAY!!!
We've trained our sheep well, eh?


The laughing Chrisisall

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Sunday, October 18, 2009 12:31 AM

Hello Chris,

It may have been in his best interests to get a report filed right then, for legal purposes.

Because if you were wrong about being okay, or you were a spiteful human being, you could fuck him so thoroughly that he'd be feeling it for the rest of his life.

--Anthony


"Liberty must not be purchased at the cost of Humanity." --Captain Robert Henner

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Wednesday, October 21, 2009 12:20 AM

Nice to see the replies. I wondered if there would be anyone who would actually SUPPORT this move; I'm glad to find nobody did.

When they removed funding from ACORN, I found it amusing that it's unconstitutional to do so, ergo somebody's gonna fight it, and that if they want to de-fund organizations that "break the law" in general (the only way it would be constitutional), there were going to be propsals that then they'd have to de-fund ALL the contractors, etc., who've broken the law...like Lockheed, Blackwater (et al), etc. Would love to see it tried.

This one is particularly egregious to me and left me disgusted. Happy to see I'm not alone! Now let's go after those bastards holding naked parties while "guarding" in Kabul!

And yes, Chris, I agree with Mike...if you later found something had been damaged, without exchanging info, etc., you could come back at him big time; in this litigious society, best to cover all bases, sadly...

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Wednesday, October 21, 2009 12:42 AM

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And yes, Chris, I agree with Mike...if you later found something had been damaged, without exchanging info, etc., you could come back at him big time; in this litigious society, best to cover all bases, sadly...



Small point of clarification - that was Anthony, not me. Credit where it's due, and all that.

Mike

Let the wild rumpus start!

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Monday, October 26, 2009 9:58 PM

Pretty easy potshot spotlight pick for Franken. If I were him I'd be back peddling on the whole "war hawk" thing. The fact is that we contract with corporations who *kill* people, and do so intentionally, and that's what we contract them to do, and not just our target enemies, but even our own soldiers.

Sorry, still no patience for Franken, who I figure will only be around until some sex scandal spills about him. Careful what you crusade for...

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