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Objects in Space - River's wanderings

POSTED BY: Rabit
UPDATED: Tuesday, June 29, 2004 03:45
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Tuesday, June 22, 2004 7:02 PM

Okay, I had a theory that I wanted to bounce off of everyone. If you haven't seen Objects in Space, please stop reading now!



While River is wandering about at the beginning, "listening" to everyone's thoughts, I noticed something. No one acknowledges her presence when she enters. You'd think that Kaylee and Simon would, at least, but Mal and Inara would not have that conversation if she was standing there (especially the DVD version!), and they couldn't really miss her.

It was as though she was mentally floating around the ship, and her body was off doing its own thing (which apparently involved getting into Jayne's guns...). Eventually the two "regrouped" and ended up in the 'bay.

(I still think that Jayne did leave the gun out for her, but I'm not going into that theory here... )

Rabit

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Tuesday, June 22, 2004 7:15 PM

Its fairly obvious, at least to me, that River wasn't "visible."

Though that gun bit at the end confused me somewhat.

I don't care, I'm still free.

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Tuesday, June 22, 2004 7:16 PM

Hmm...that is interesting.

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Tuesday, June 22, 2004 7:48 PM

just so happens that we watched that ep last night. i would say that she is not visible to the others, but reading minds from either her room, or as she walks to the bay.

the fact that the others all show up there so quickly - as soon as she picks up the stick/gun - seems to support that.

one thing i didn't go back and check; is that the same gun she used in war stories? probably not - but if it is, perhaps it was left somewhere in the bay, or maybe river hung onto it....

the big question for us about the ep was, what did book mean by his comments and what does that hint at about his past? oh, the possibilities....



td


mal to jayne: well, my days of not taking you seriously are certainly coming to a middle

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Tuesday, June 22, 2004 7:55 PM

Nope, different gun.

I don't care, I'm still free.

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Tuesday, June 22, 2004 8:20 PM

Might be River was actually physically wandering around the ship. Maybe she can 'mask' her presence from others at will when she looks into their minds. Also, it couldn't have been too difficult to get one of Jayne's pistols from his quarters. I mean, this IS Jayne after all, he's not exactly the sharpest knife in the drawer.

Add this to your theory collection.

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Tuesday, June 22, 2004 8:36 PM

interesting thought.

but why whould she go into his room to get a stick? it seemed to be something she stumbled across? there on the deck....

td


mal to jayne: well, my days of not taking you seriously are certainly coming to a middle

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Tuesday, June 22, 2004 9:20 PM

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Originally posted by JCobb:
Its fairly obvious, at least to me, that River wasn't "visible."

Seemed obvious to me, also, but in speaking with some of my friends I learned that I was the only one who came to that conclusion.
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Originally posted by tdtmf:
interesting thought.

but why whould she go into his room to get a stick? it seemed to be something she stumbled across? there on the deck....

Ah, but we also "saw" her walk through rooms with people that were oblivious to her presence.

I don't really think she found it in his quarters, though. I have no idea where she found it - and I don't think we'll ever know - but I honestly think that Jayne probably did leave it out on purpose, just because that's our lovable mercenary for ya...

Actually, I love the fact that it was left ambiguous; we just don't know if Jayne did it or not!

Rabit

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Tuesday, June 22, 2004 9:45 PM

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Actually, I love the fact that it was left ambiguous; we just don't know if Jayne did it or not!


Just like, were's not sure if anyone from Family Guy can understand Stewie.


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but I honestly think that Jayne probably did leave it out on purpose,

But he'd be in as much danger as anyone else if she started shooting the place up. Possibly MORE because she knows he betrayed her.

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Tuesday, June 22, 2004 10:01 PM

I dont think Jane left the gun on purpose, when you are working(and a gun is all in a days work on Serenity) you tend to set things down and forget where you left it.
Ever have a several hour search for your car keys for that same reason?
Ever find them in the refrigerator?
Stuff gets left about and River just makes it tough to be leaving the wrong kind of items about,2 year olds produce the same effect.

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