9/11 Commission finds no Credible link between Al Qaeda and Saddam

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GHOULMAN

Tuesday, June 22, 2004 3:58 PM

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Originally posted by Jasonzzz:

SNIP!
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Besides, you are taking things quite out of context.
The 9/11 Commission's task is to look at things related to the 9/11 event. The 9/11 commission chairman clearly delineats this:

"What we found is, Were there contacts between al Qaeda and Iraq? Yes. Some of them were shadowy but they were there," Commission Chairman Thomas Kean said.

"We said that there is no evidence to support the notion that al Qaeda and Saddam Hussein collaborated to produce 9/11," said Commision member James Thompson, then went on to comment that the report agreed with the administration's position that there were contacts between Iraq and al Qaeda. and also: "They may be in possession of information about contacts beyond those that we found." Thompson said. "I don't know, that wasn't any of our business. Our business was 9/11."

No link between Iraq and Al-Qaeda for the 9/11 event is quite different than "Abolutely no link between Iraq and Al-Qaeda".

There isn't a link at all according tooooo... the CIA!
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CIA: No Iraqi officer link in al-Qaida meeting
White House official denies commissioner's statement that tied Saddam's Fedayeen unit to al-Qaid
By Knut Royce
Washington Bureau

June 22, 2004
Link to full article...
http://www.newsday.com/news/nationworld/nation/ny-uscia223863038jun22,
0,6059318.story?coll=ny-nationalnews-headlines

WASHINGTON -- The CIA concluded "a long time ago" that an al-Qaida associate who met with two of the Sept. 11 hijackers in Malaysia was not an officer in Saddam Hussein's army, as alleged Sunday by a Republican member of the 9/11 commission.

Commissioner John Lehman, who was Navy secretary under Ronald Reagan, said "new ... documents" indicated that "at least one officer of Saddam's Fedayeen," an elite army unit, "was a very prominent member of al-Qaida."

Lehman's remarks on NBC's "Meet the Press" lent support to the Bush administration's insistence that there were strong ties between Hussein and al-Qaida.

The administration official said the CIA and U.S. Army obtained the lists of members of the Fedayeen shortly after the invasion of Iraq last year. Some, he said, had names "similar to" Ahmad Hikmat Shakir. But, he said, the CIA had concluded "a long time ago" that none were the al-Qaida associate. He would not say whether the al-Qaida associate is in U.S. custody. Other sources said he was not.
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And so it goes in the USA.

I guess the Russian liar, er, President (Putin) will have to retract his statement about this? How long did this take to be discredited? Five days? Will it be repeated all this week on CNN? Yes, because CNN lies (ask David Letterman! lol!).

btw, I have a direct example of what I refered too earlier as a "conspiracy of silence" from Dick Nixons' ole pal... Dick Cheney.

The article above mentioned Dick Cheney saying this: His comments were made after Vice President Dick Cheney, the administration's strongest advocate of an alleged link between Hussein and al-Qaida, said in an interview Friday that he, Cheney, "probably" saw intelligence not reviewed by the Sept. 11 commission.

... problably? Well, it's a yes or no question Dick... choose one!

But he doesn't. See, he knows damn well there is no link with Saddam and Al Queda at all. Yet, he floats the notion that he knows there is... but is silent about it. So the American people are left to guess. In comes the Right Wing Conspiracy (I'm starting to like that phrase!) to repeat this lie over and over on Bill O'Reilly.

That's how a "conspiracy of silence" works. You just keep silent about the truth.

GTMAN8503

Tuesday, June 22, 2004 4:17 PM

Actually, the CIA determined that there was a link between Al Qaeda and Iraq. In a CIA letter to the Select Committee on Intelligence dated October 9, 2002, John McLaughlin wrote (For former CIA Director George Tenet), "We have solid reporting of senior level contacts between Iraq and Al Qaeda going back a decade...We have credible reporting that Al Qaeda leaders sought contacts in Iraq who could help them acquire WMD capabilities."

Whether or not the information that that conclusion was based on was accurate is another matter entirely, but the CIA did believe that there was a link between Al Qaeda and Iraq before the war.

Also, the 9-11 commission stated that there was no connection between Iraq and Al Qaeda on the 9-11 attack. The commission did not say that there was no link between Iraq and Al Qaeda. In fact, they said exactly the opposite--that there were links between Al Qaeda and Iraq.

Whether or not this was justification for war is, again, a seperate issue, but these are the facts. Its disheartening to see every single news outlet with the exception of FOX misrepresenting what happened.

HERO

Tuesday, June 22, 2004 4:25 PM

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Originally posted by Ghoulman:
That's how a "conspiracy of silence" works. You just keep silent about the truth.

Maybe. But the left has a "conspiracy of screamers". It works by spouting lies at every turn and drowing out the truth.

Then there's the moderates with their "conspiracy of talking but not saying anything". They don't shout down the truth or keep silent, they just speak in a normal tone.

There's also MTV and the "conspiracy of music" they use music to promote a radical social agenda of corporate liberalism. Meaning exploiting liberalism for very conservative corporate profit. How else do you explain boy bands and Britney Spears? Its sure not talent.

Then there's the British and the "conspiracy of reality TV". Yep they all started there and now they are after us all.

Oh, don't forget McDonalds and the "conspiracy of the $.99 chicken sandwhich". Movie theaters and the "conspiracy of showing trailors for upcoming films before the feature presentation".

I could go on, but I think I'm being followed...

H

SIGMANUNKI

Tuesday, June 22, 2004 5:28 PM

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Originally posted by Hero:
Then there's the British and the "conspiracy of reality TV". Yep they all started there and now they are after us all.

Actually, the Brits didn't start it. They copied some other country network (somewhere else in Europe) that locked there employees in for the weekend and filmed it. Actually the Brits got sued for that. I don't have any time to waste re-getting that link for you. You can do that yourself.

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"Canada being mad at you is like Mr. Rogers throwing a brick through your window." -Jon Stewart, The Daily Show

SIGMANUNKI

Tuesday, June 22, 2004 5:34 PM

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Originally posted by gtman8503:
Actually, the CIA determined that there was a link between Al Qaeda and Iraq. In a CIA letter to the Select Committee on Intelligence dated October 9, 2002, John McLaughlin wrote (For former CIA Director George Tenet), "We have solid reporting of senior level contacts between Iraq and Al Qaeda going back a decade...We have credible reporting that Al Qaeda leaders sought contacts in Iraq who could help them acquire WMD capabilities."

Whether or not the information that that conclusion was based on was accurate is another matter entirely, but the CIA did believe that there was a link between Al Qaeda and Iraq before the war.

Also, the 9-11 commission stated that there was no connection between Iraq and Al Qaeda on the 9-11 attack. The commission did not say that there was no link between Iraq and Al Qaeda. In fact, they said exactly the opposite--that there were links between Al Qaeda and Iraq.

Whether or not this was justification for war is, again, a seperate issue, but these are the facts. Its disheartening to see every single news outlet with the exception of FOX misrepresenting what happened.

Contacts != links. One can talk to someone else without there being a link between them. All this proves is that Al Qaeda was persistent. And since Al Qaeda never obtained those WMD, it would seems as though those contacts never produced anything.

Perhaps you should stop watching FOX "news" and start looking to credible news agencies such as the BBC. After all, FOX "news" would *never* be considered a news agency in the rest of the world. We consider it comedy and a quite dark one at that.

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"Canada being mad at you is like Mr. Rogers throwing a brick through your window." -Jon Stewart, The Daily Show

JCOBB

Tuesday, June 22, 2004 6:12 PM

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Originally posted by Ghoulman:
^^^ I never said that about Nixon... why does jcobb put words into my mouth?

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So, let me ask you something.

Did Nixon increasingly decrease the number of troops stationed in Vietnam during his presidency?

Did JFK and Johnson continually put in troops into Vietnam?

Did Nixon want to pull out without creating an international incident and leaving South Vietnam hanging?

You betcha.

So, another question, how do you feel about how "we" handled Serbia and Milosevic? That was a war in which people died, and I think we can all agree that Milosevic was no where near as "bad" a person as Saddam.

I don't care, I'm still free.

JASONZZZ

Tuesday, June 22, 2004 6:24 PM

We need to just kill this threat, since the title is one big fat falsehood:

"9/11 Commission finds no Credible link between Al Qaeda and Saddam" as a statement is completely untrue.

I vote, kill this thread and start a new one.

GHOULMAN

Tuesday, June 22, 2004 9:28 PM

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Originally posted by gtman8503:
Actually, the CIA determined that there was a link between Al Qaeda and Iraq. In a CIA letter to the Select Committee on Intelligence dated October 9, 2002,

Yea, but I posted the LATEST news from the CIA. You give me old news? That makes sense how? Thanx for posting good info (even if that guy you mention is lieing, info it be!) but it's made mote by the latest info - as all things are right?

That's my only gripe about your post though.

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October 9, 2002, John McLaughlin wrote (For former CIA Director George Tenet), "We have solid reporting of senior level contacts between Iraq and Al Qaeda going back a decade...We have credible reporting that Al Qaeda leaders sought contacts in Iraq who could help them acquire WMD capabilities."

Whether or not the information that that conclusion was based on was accurate is another matter entirely, but the CIA did believe that there was a link between Al Qaeda and Iraq before the war.

Also, the 9-11 commission stated that there was no connection between Iraq and Al Qaeda on the 9-11 attack. The commission did not say that there was no link between Iraq and Al Qaeda. In fact, they said exactly the opposite--that there were links between Al Qaeda and Iraq.

Whether or not this was justification for war is, again, a seperate issue, but these are the facts. Its disheartening to see every single news outlet with the exception of FOX misrepresenting what happened.

GHOULMAN

Tuesday, June 22, 2004 9:31 PM

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Originally posted by JCobb:
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Originally posted by Ghoulman:
^^^ I never said that about Nixon... why does jcobb put words into my mouth?

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So, let me ask you something.

Did Nixon increasingly decrease the number of troops stationed in Vietnam during his presidency?

Did JFK and Johnson continually put in troops into Vietnam?

Did Nixon want to pull out without creating an international incident and leaving South Vietnam hanging?

You betcha.

So, another question, how do you feel about how "we" handled Serbia and Milosevic? That was a war in which people died, and I think we can all agree that Milosevic was no where near as "bad" a person as Saddam.

I don't care, I'm still free.

Hey, if you can't argue the points then give up.

Attacking me only makes a fool out of you. People CAN read ya know.

GHOULMAN

Tuesday, June 22, 2004 9:33 PM

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Originally posted by Jasonzzz:

We need to just kill this threat, since the title is one big fat falsehood:

"9/11 Commission finds no Credible link between Al Qaeda and Saddam" as a statement is completely untrue.

I vote, kill this thread and start a new one.

Best troll ever? Hm.

Terrible behavior Jason. I've never seen anyone online EVER just try to kill an entire discussion. Disgusting.

So much for free speach.

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