Should Dollhouse Be Sent To The Attic?
POSTED BY: Haken
UPDATED: Monday, October 12, 2009 01:49
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Originally posted by Zeek:
I have to say that this thread is a shining example that Joss fans aren't sheep. Lots of trolls come around saying we would love anything with Joss's name attached. That just isn't true. Heck there are people on this site who don't like Angel and Buffy. They aren't shunned. We all have valid opinions. IMO Joss still has a stellar record. Even if Dollhouse is the one let down.
Bring on Cabin in the Woods!
It's so funny, because in a friendly sci-fi debate the first thing so many non-Whedon fans usually say out of the gate is we are the sheeple. I don't think it's the case either. While there may be a few out there that are hard core 'Joss Whedon can do no wrong and he is my god', we're kinda a finicky lot. I also think Dollhouse has made a few of us less enthusiastic and more err on the side of caution, because it's such a low point in his filmography (at least it has with me and my friends).
I still love Buffy. But Angel? I watched it during high school via cable reruns. Great then, but now, as Niska would say "Not so solid."
I do however have very special places in my heart for Lorne and Fred.
Your Indian Pirate Lord,
Ash
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Yes, send to attic.
In any industry, there are hits and misses.
Dollhouse is a miss for all the reasons GWEK and Ash stated so eloquently.
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Originally posted by GWEK:
Kham, I'm almost sorry to reply to your message because I don't want you to feel personally attacked. However, you're the one who best expressed the counterpoint, so you get the hit! Nothing personal!
Don't worry, I don't take any of it personally.
You raised some good points, but I'm going to keep watching it simply because I enjoy it and I do find the characters relatable.
This more than anything boils down not to argument of quality, but rather to an argument of taste. I watch and like Dollhouse because it appeals to me. It's the same reason why an atrocious shows like One Tree Hill or Secret Life of the American Teenager (sorry if you're a fan of these) can last for several seasons despite horrid acting and writing. People like the worn out teen drama formula, so they watch it, like it, and pay no attention to quality.
In short, my vote is to not send it to the attic. I enjoy it and I'm not asking anyone here to like it simply because Joss is doing it. If you've given it a chance, and still don't like it, do as Kwicko said and rewatch Buffy or any other Joss series for that matter.
To those of you who are simply reading this thread, if you're on the fence right now, keep watching. The best is yet to come for season 2 (ex: Summer Glau's role coming up, and the return to the world of Epitaph One with Felicia Day.)
And if you haven't seen any Dollhouse yet, give it a shot, because, regardless of what the show's detractors on this thread may say, you may find that it appeals to you.
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I'm not a great fan of Dollhouse personally.I find it watchable and that's about it.But seeing it go off the air prematurely will send alarm bells around TV world when it comes to Joss.If it gets cancelled I don't see how Joss is going to be asked to work on another project in the near future. I fear that TV execs will be thinking,"two cancelled shows concurrently,are the viewers trying to tell us something?". I don't echo that sentiment but I fear that could be the death knell!!
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Originally posted by khambilo:
I think one reason that loyal Joss fans do not like Dollhouse is because it doesn't have the formulaic group-of-friends-save-the-day-from-the-big-bad concept that Buffy and Angel especially had and even Firefly had a little of.
That's cute, that after we all state clearly what we don't like.... you tell us what our real reasons are....
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Originally posted by peacekeeper:
I'm not a great fan of Dollhouse personally.I find it watchable and that's about it.But seeing it go off the air prematurely will send alarm bells around TV world when it comes to Joss.If it gets cancelled I don't see how Joss is going to be asked to work on another project in the near future. I fear that TV execs will be thinking,"two cancelled shows concurrently,are the viewers trying to tell us something?". I don't echo that sentiment but I fear that could be the death knell!!
Actually, I think it would lead to more Dr. Horrible type projects and that could only be a good thing. I think Joss is struggling with some personal demons on this show and it is showing. He is trying too hard to make the show deep and at the same time trying to hit the marks to get a wide audience (usually with shallow expectable hooks). Going back to Dr. Horrible type productions would leave him with his fan base and let him be just Joss without the pressure from a network for big numbers.
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I don't think cancellation of DOLLHOUSE would send up a warning sign about Joss necessarily. In fact, if anything, the atrociously low ratings of the lingering show would be a problem. Professionally, a mercy killing might be in Whedon's best interest.
Being associated with a failure is not as big an issue in the entertainment industry as it is in other industries.
Tim Minear has worked on 7 shows (generally as a producer or exec producer and writer) since ANGEL. Dollhouse is the first one to be renewed (and I think the second that wasn't cancelled midway through the first season).
M. Night Shamaylan's past few movies have been critical (and financial, I believe) failures, yet he still gets to make blockbuster movies.
Nah, Joss will be just fine.
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Quote:Oh God yeah,what was that atrocious pile of garbage with Paul Giammati and the girl in the swimming pool.Awful,awful film.
Originally posted by GWEK:
I don't think cancellation of DOLLHOUSE would send up a warning sign about Joss necessarily. In fact, if anything, the atrociously low ratings of the lingering show would be a problem. Professionally, a mercy killing might be in Whedon's best interest.
Being associated with a failure is not as big an issue in the entertainment industry as it is in other industries.
Tim Minear has worked on 7 shows (generally as a producer or exec producer and writer) since ANGEL. Dollhouse is the first one to be renewed (and I think the second that wasn't cancelled midway through the first season).
M. Night Shamaylan's past few movies have been critical (and financial, I believe) failures, yet he still gets to make blockbuster movies.
Nah, Joss will be just fine.
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Sounds like this week's Episode has to deliver:
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God, I can’t say who I am (publically) but here’s what I know and I will stand by this and bet money it will be confirmed:
There was a meeting today in which staff were basically told ratings need to go UP in order to get a hold and come back on the 23rd, stay the same and they’d consider.. though likely haitus, and if it goes down, it’s out.
Advertisers were basically told that as far as month-by-month ad-buy ins for the network Fox’s schedule has some changes in it, including Fox being TBA for Friday nights after the 23rd.
Fox is concerned that the problem with Dollhouse isn’t fixable, and that they believe that they might have better options Friday night.
That includes a lot of talk about rotating “Glee” to a repeat on Friday night to give it a double-viewing for a while to pickup steam in a show it really believes in, and that it sees as a potential money train.
It's from TV By The Numbers: http://tvbythenumbers.com/2009/10/06/fox-to-dollhouse-improve-ratings-
or-else/29707
It does make sense from Fox's standpoint. Glee has a massive, rabid fan base. A double viewing ensures people who are hearing the rave reviews but don't necessarily have time on Wed to watch (or know how to work Hulu, like my parents) to get into the show.
I suspect it won't deliver the goods and will get yanked. Which means Summer's episodes won't be aired and will have to be viewed via more questionable means. I'm ok with that though
Your Indian Pirate Lord,
Ash
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GLEE isn't great, but I'd say it's about 10 times better than DOLLHOUSE.
It's a shame that DOLLHOUSE (fairly likely) won't have the opportunity to achieve it's potential, but I certainly won't feel the loss like of FIREFLY (or, to be honest, WONDER FALLS or DRIVE or THE INSIDE).
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