UNDERWORLD VS. TWILIGHT
POSTED BY: jameron4eva
UPDATED: Sunday, October 4, 2009 22:18
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Wow....over-react much?
Given that the last time you seemed to have posted here was to launch a very long dissection of why someone who didn't care for TSCC was so WRONG, perhaps you are doing a wee bit of projection? Just a thought.
This thread is hardly a one-sided conversation, there are arguments both ways. If the fact that some don't like Twilight is so upsetting to you, perhaps you should work on thickening your skin a good bit.
"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."
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Turning your back on a show because certain fans have intense dislikes that you don't agree with is, of course, entirely up to you. You could also, perhaps, tell us all exactly why you think we're so wrong in our intense dislike. I mean why we're wrong about the story, of course, since you've already ranted about how wrong it is to express said dislike. We may not be swayed, of course, but it is an option, especially as so far I haven't heard a single intelligent argument as to why Twilight is worth reading, and you might be able to give one, being in my opinion a fairly intelligent lady. Or, another option, you could avoid threads about the topic, or avoid this and other sites entirely, without ceasing to watch the show out of spite towards the fans of it who are not fans of Twilight.
I know people in the vampyre culture, and have a liking for a great many (if not every single) vampire stories. That doesn't matter to people who find my opinions worth dismissing, but I've managed to keep my love of Firefly intact (actually, I never even considered giving up on the show over an unrelated argument) and have even stayed lurking and occasionally posting around the site as I always do, accepting the fact that arguing about it might not be worth my while. Other things may still be worth my while, as 'unwelcome' as I might feel for fleeting moments. That was my choice, and I happen to think it was a rather rational one. However, if our opinions are so offensive to you that you would let them destroy something you loved, as I said, that's entirely up to you.
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Hey Rose,
Speak up, don't be afraid to say what's on your mind.
You make a good point about Tweenlight, it's pure fluff - and delivers a sad and dangerous message to young girls. Only the enlightened ones will get it and stay mindful.
Now Underworld is, without a doubt, a thousand times better. The first one did have promise, IMHO.
But Underworld 2 dropped the ball. I went to see it in the theatre with great expectations and was sorely disappointed. But it had a much better story and mythos as you suggested.
And I'm quite fond of Kate Beckinsale in a tight leather suit kicking ass.
I;m just saying!
SGG
Tawabawho?
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As you may know Browncoats are die-hards. Even your tag lines about Kaylee - "No power in the verse" and
"You can't the sky from me" - suggest that you understand that to be true.
So why leave because someone disagrees with you on one particular thing?
To me, leaving this site, or anything, that easily means that you don't get it.
Good luck to you.
SGG
Tawabawho?
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Hehe, thanks SGG.
You know, it's interesting in a way, because there have been times I felt less-than-welcome because I didn't like Twilight. I felt as though there was this opinion that anything involving vampires was automatically good, no matter what the underlying metaphor may be. I'll admit, I found it frustrating, but I just didn't talk about it because I figured my opinion would be scorned and possibly be upsetting. Finally seeing some backlash, some other people coming out and saying 'no, this is not a good thing, it's not a good metaphor, it's not a good lesson, it's not a good story or use of the story' etc. made me feel a bit better, but there was still an overwhelming, almost crushing kind of feeling that most people thought this was brilliant romance, and that to think anything else made me less female somehow, or cynical and dead inside, or in some other way... not right. Soooo, I eventually snapped. And maybe it was overblown, maybe it was upsetting, maybe it makes other people feel the way I felt, and maybe I could have said it more... diplomatically. But it is just my opinion, and I'm not the only one who has it and I'm glad I'm not the only one who has it, and it doesn't mean I automatically hate you if you're a Twilight fan or something, it just means I don't understand where you're coming from.
And for the record, it isn't about how much it isn't Buffy. I am a fan of Buffy - a fairly recent fan, actually - but that doesn't mean I hate anything that isn't Buffy. Twilight has certain things in common with Buffy, what with the vampire dating a 16 year old girl, so it lends itself to comparison, but I don't hate it because it's not Buffy. The reason I brought Buffy up at all was because the underlying metaphors in that story, the dimension of the characters, the overall writing style, I happen to prefer. A lot. I think it has some good things to say with that particular metaphor, and I think Twilight uses the same metaphor in a kind of gross way. If Buffy had never existed or I had never watched it, I would still not like Twilight. Actually, I'm pretty sure that I attempted to read the first book before I had even watched Buffy, though after I had heard enough about it to know a lot of key plot points.
Anyway. Dancer made a good point, and one that I will vouch for from experience over the same issue. Feeling unwelcome over one opinion should not be enough to drive you out of an unrelated fandom. And I certainly didn't intend to drive anyone away with my opinions on an unrelated fandom, and I'm sorry if I did. It doesn't change my opinion.
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Actually, I've never even SEEN Buffy the Vampire Slayer OR Angel, and I don't want to.
You are mistaken to assume my dislike of Twilight is owing to fandom rivalry.
I merely don't like vampires, period.
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Now, there are two cases where some things I might have said may be construed as offensive to Twilight fans, and for these I do apologize. I meant something different then how they came out sounding as.
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Twilight is the purest teen girl romantic trash fic
In this one, I was mostly identifying the series as targeted primarily towards teenaged girls, which is accurate. However, calling it trash could be taken as an insult to the TYPE of teenage girl, however I meant it in reference to a certain genre of books.
But, it likely came across the wrong way and I apologize.
And this one:
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Yes, that seems accurate with what I have observed and cowered from. There is some WEIRD stuff in the books, it sounds like.
Though in response to Storymark’s comments about the fans, really I was more focusing on my comments on elements from the books that I don’t like.
However, my agreement did seem like I was also calling Twilight fans creepy, and I’m sorry for that as well.
I am sorry that you feel unwelcome. However, these arguments really aren’t meant to be personal. As an internet discussion board, various fandoms are likely to be discussed, and for a fandom as controversial as Twilight, there are going to be folks who will argue both sides. Unwritten rules for fandom threads like “praise or get out” defeat the point of a discussion board.
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Hmmm. Passionate opinions. Kind of like the Twilight vs. True Blood or True Blood vs. Buffy fandoms. Everyone is entitled to their own opinions and enjoyments I'd wager and a good thing too. 
The world would be a mighty boring place to live if we all liked the same stuff.
I am weird about this I guess. I like Underworld et all very much including the purely ridiculous 2nd movie and I also enjoyed going to see Twilight.
I've read all the Twilight books and although I very much disapprove and speak out against the position the author puts young girls in I also find some things about both the books and the movie that please me. ( The baseball scene being one of them! )
I don't even mind the sparkling, as long as they don't show it too often. Good thing it's cloudy where these vampires live. 
The vampire genre has changed a bunch since Nosferatu. It used to be they were simply tortured, torturing biting monsters. Since Anne Rice it seems the genre discusses the actual lives and losses and pain of vampires. They're allowed to have emotions besides constant hunger, sexual depravity and violent tendencies.
The genre can go any direction it wants to. I've been watching vampires since I was young and I'll wager I'll be watching and reading about them when I'm quite old.
Good stuff.
Oh and right now... True Blood RULES IMHO.*tease*
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I have to agree with you FollowMal. I started my vampire watching with Barnabas Collins of Dark Shadows. And have seen and enjoyed Nosferatu (the silent version), several Draculas etc.
And I enjoyed some aspects of Twilight too, the pure escapism aspect of it. The one true love etc. And there were times I was laughing silently to myself because it was just so "tweeny".
I can't say anything about Underworld, Angel or Buffy because out of all those I've only seen season 7 of Buffy.
And now I'm addicted to True Blood. The vamps in that show show a whole range, from what could be considered the "nice vampire" Bill, the "bad boy" Eric, the vamp/human interactions at Fangtastia etc. (I won't spoil anything because I've read all 9 of the books and even then Alan Ball has created his own darker, more AU Sookieverse on HBO than Charlaine Harris did in the books).
And yes, Sookie is "kick a**" but she does have her vulnerable points too. And Bill isn't nice and the perfect boyfriend all the time and even Eric has his good points, sometimes. 
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To ME, Joss' Buffy defines the whole "Vampire" thing. Wanna go classic? "Taste The Blood Of Dracula," "The Night Stalker" or "Scream, Blacula, Scream."
Sorry, this new s**t sucks (pun definitely intended).
The laughing Chrisisall
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