Pro-life?

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DREAMTROVE

Wednesday, September 23, 2009 11:22 PM

JSF

I got kicked back to february. Our damn medical system is a menace, my public option is really an hmo.

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Whats a "sock puppet"?

This was funny. I hope there was an explanation, but a list would be more entertaining. I suspect Frem has one. I have some suspects.

Wulf,

I consistently oppose you

religious conviction of course. "Respect all living things and the course of nature." Not 100% faith-based here, but it's a better moral fallback than nothing. I only take exception when I can see the logic. Kill the foetus to save the mother, kill Cho to save his next victim. "Least death" is tricky though, you have to be right.

Mike

You're not Kathy, I'm sure of that. If you were anyone I'd say you were Frem, but I know this isn't true: Frem doesn't have time to get caught up in partisan battles and you do. I try not to, but sometimes... But I know for a fact that you're River 6213.

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'life is sacred - until it's born'.

Kathy, I agree these people are morons. I suspect their logic goes something like this:

Save the foetus! Save the foetus! Ah, here's the baby! Oh, wait, Not Jesus? Fuck it. Save the next foetus!

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Lurker

I believe abortion is wrong. But that's not the issue. The issue is whether I have the right to force that belief on someone else.

I don't believe I do.

I think that's an issue of legislation. Hopefully, there would be no govt. I'm hoping twitter will make govt. go away

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Love this rant.

Sorry, didn't read it. I read tweets

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To decide a fetus is a "human being" at conception is equally black-and-white thinking. If so, then every time a woman menstruates or a man jacks off, they're destroying "potential" humans...

This whole logic is so alien to me. What limits life is resources, not seeds. Thousands of seeds fall from each tree each year. But there's not room for 100,000% annual increase in the tree population.

I could go on, but I am ducking this argument.

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Frem:
*has a sudden urge to sing stuff from Monty Python*

Mike:
"If a sperm is wasted
God gets quite irate!"

Oops. On second thought, maybe Mike is Frem's sockpuppet.

Byte,

In addition to the moral issue there's the ZPG angle: Who is influencing the growth or lack there of in which population. This is where policy can be a special manipulative evil.

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HK
Would you hire a woman who had an abortion over a man who killed someone while he was robbing a bank?

Depends on their qualifications. I've hired both. I'm sure other people here have as well.

PIZMOBEACH

Wednesday, September 23, 2009 11:54 PM

Abortion debate OR...

while not perfectly appropriate someone did mention Monty Python.

Is it me or do their sketches just get better and darker and better?
"Aaaaannnnd... frightening."

So much funny. I'm afraid I knew people who didn't get their humor at all, didn't get that they were damning health care with humor, thought they were just being smart asses...

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TDBROWN

Thursday, September 24, 2009 12:11 AM

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Originally posted by BlackoutNights:

I believe abortion is wrong. But that's not the issue. The issue is whether I have the right to force that belief on someone else.

I don't believe I do.

I'm with you, BlackoutNights, as long as an informed choice has been made.

I know four people who have had abortions, and to be honest, only one is satisfied with the decision she made. The other three have come to regret and even mourn the decision they made. This is not my opinion; it's a fact.

"Might have been the losing side, still not convinced it was the wrong one." -Mal

BYTEMITE

Thursday, September 24, 2009 12:13 AM

Hehe, I bet I know who else DT suspects is Frem's sockpuppet. Not too many ways I can prove otherwise, though, we do agree on quite a number of things. It's almost not worth it for me to respond on the RWED, 'cause Frem's just going to come in better informed with links and references instead of my intuition and various if-then conclusions.

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Byte,

In addition to the moral issue there's the ZPG angle: Who is influencing the growth or lack there of in which population. This is where policy can be a special manipulative evil.

Well, I kind of consider that a moral issue in of itself. Abuse of power is kind of a no-no. But, it happens/ is happening.

Sorry about my previous post, it was not "tweet" sized.

DREAMTROVE

Thursday, September 24, 2009 1:02 AM

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Sorry about my previous post, it was not "tweet" sized.

Nah, it was Byte-sized ;)

Ne'er accused you of being his sock puppet, just his groupie. Frem would never tip his hand that much. Though I do think you have a pretty deep understanding for 24, either wise past your years or a little number transposition

ZPG is pretty evil as an abuse of power, but that's another story

If Frem had a sock puppet, it would be evil. He would do something just to fuck with people, so would Mike. Most people who have sock puppets use them to say things that they don't want associated with their "character" but would say anyway; Frem and Mike would create enemies.

If Frem had a sock puppet it would be Geezer or someone, and I think if Mike had one, it would be Whozit. Mike had just that jackass quality where he wants to totally prank everyone and then pulls back into rational dialoge, but I can see him going all Dr. Jeckyl and Mr. Hyde on us.

I kinda regret not doing it. It would've been fun to fuck with people. I think it's too late for me to do it here, people know my speech patterns too well.

Sometimes sockpuppets totally spill their hand by using wordings unique to them, (as in the scene in Project X with matthew broderick) but even more discreetly, they sometimes reference things said before they joined. True, they could be long term lurkers or have read the archives (my total lack of a god, what a thought) But more likely if they refer to something said in '07 and their account dates to october '08, it's that they momentarily forgot when their sock puppet was created.

BYTEMITE

Thursday, September 24, 2009 1:40 AM

I've seen sockpuppets exposed other places on the web, some pretty spectacularly. Like, for example, on a forum for an MMORPG, there was someone who accused someone else of ripping them off during an item trade. There was a middle man involved with setting up the deal. Then the supposed thief ALSO showed up to defend himself with a pretty lame explanation about using his friend's computer or something.

One particularly cunning poster noticed during the middle man's efforts to calm the victim that there was an unusual similarity in both the middleman and the thief's posting styles: to emphasize words, they both tends to put *stars* around them.

Immediately the two tried defending themselves, then slipped up. One of them accidentally posted a response logged in as his alter-ego.

After a post where he realized and tried to make ANOTHER lame excuse, he figured out that the jig was up and confessed.

That's something to look for too. Emphasis.

Also, I don't think either Frem or Kwicko could QUITE bring themselves to imitate Whozits or Geezer. As I've observed, they practically need soap if the rare agreement does happen. But evil doppelgangers... I could see that. Someone with their views but more vicious.

DREAMTROVE

Thursday, September 24, 2009 2:51 AM

I could probably make a jackass liberal sock puppet. People make dumb sockpuppets to support ridiculous arguments and the public falls in line like well, puppets. I'm pretty sure the anti-healthcare thing was started by pro-healthcare dems with sockpuppets and dumb reps fell in line behind it. My first tip off, the swastikas. Everyone knows godwin's law, in any demographic, there will be at least one person to point it out.

FREMDFIRMA

Thursday, September 24, 2009 3:56 AM

Oh man, that machiavellian, I ain't - if I even tried y'all would catch me out in a heartbeat cause my verbal style is just too cursed distinctive.
And has caught, historically, four imposters in the past ten years cause it's apparently nigh-impossible to duplicate.

Now madness-blinded wingnuts, sure, they'd fall for it, especially when I *can* switch genders on the fly, since my thought processes for whatever inexplicable reasons can work in both directions, and wingnuts are EASY bait for any female who shows the slightest bit of sympathy for them or their beliefs.

S'funny, I had to help a female gamer rebuild a voice distorter to wire into her mic so that she sounded male when she played Halo, in order to avoid the usual "issues" which crop up when a female gun-gamer appears on scene.

Men are fools, all and every, but damn I ain't never been THAT much of one.

-Frem

It cannot be said enough, those who do not learn from history, are doomed to endlessly repeat it

DREAMTROVE

Thursday, September 24, 2009 5:02 AM

True, we've all been here too long. I have a short sock puppet list, but I don't usually communicate with them.

As a writer I could do a decent female character. It's something I worked very very hard at, because that's one thing that shoots you dead as a writer: Your men and women have to behave like men and women, and kids too, even the dog's gotta behave like a dog. But so many people, easily 99% who try can't do it. The opposite gender characters are either some ridiculous sexual fantasy or a total clone of the writer's gender, just with a different name.

But I agree, none of us could do it here.

Oh, and Frem, sometimes the stuff you post I have a lot of trouble parsing, but I want to, because I want to be able to organize. I've been an army of one so much of my life that when I run things that involve more than just me, it's pretty much an autocracy, and I am motivated to run something larger than I will be able to manage. At the moment this thing with "Clean Sweep" has me. I think it's that it's Gaza on my doorstep.

KWICKO

Thursday, September 24, 2009 11:49 AM

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Mike

You're not Kathy, I'm sure of that. If you were anyone I'd say you were Frem, but I know this isn't true: Frem doesn't have time to get caught up in partisan battles and you do. I try not to, but sometimes... But I know for a fact that you're River 6213.

Thanks for that, DT - you made me laugh my morning coffee out my nose!

I'll state for the record that I'm absolutely *NOT* River6213, or any other kind of tributary, creek, stream, or wetland. I'm also not Frem, but a great many of his ideals are worthy of emulation.

A list could be fun and illuminating.

Mike

Old friend charity
Cruel twisted smile
And the smile signals emptiness
For me
Starless and Bible black