Pro-life?
POSTED BY: Niki2
UPDATED: Wednesday, September 30, 2009 15:18
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The American Life League, an anti-abortion group, had signs made up professionally that they passed around at the 9/12 rally. For a "pro-life" group, this is a special kind of hypocrisy, in my opinion.
Thousands of right-wing protesters are in DC for the 9/12 Project march today, inspired by Glenn Beck and organized by Republican lobbyists. One rally attendee caught a particularly tasteless sign being distributed to protesters. The classlessness of the right never ceases to amaze: 
Today on ABC’s Good Morning America, Sen. Jim DeMint (R-SC) tried to portray the protesters as a bipartisan group of moderates, saying that “it’s not about President Obama. It’s not about the Democrats. … I’m glad they’re here to take back their country.” DeMint, of course, has made it all “about President Obama,” saying that the health care debate will be Obama’s “Waterloo” because it will “break him.”
http://thinkprogress.org/2009/09/12/obamacare-kennedy/
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Pro-life is a religious position, a tenet of faith, doesn't really denote politics. True, I see the inconsistency when someone is pro-life and pro-death penalty, that doesn't make a lot of sense. (Yes, it's feasible under the logic that you are born perfect and then can become flawed) which might work under Christianity, doesn't work under Taoism.
I get the contradiction on healthcare, but this isn't about "should their be healthcare" it's about how it should be done. I'm having a lot of trouble getting cancer treatments now because of the bureaucracy. I think if it were a total free market system I wouldn't have that proble. I suspect that under a socialized system it would be worse. The numbers out there on the healthcare plan are pretty stark: The result would be just over 1/2 the dollar amount per patient than is being spent now, even after price controls. You can bet that under such a system the bureaucrats are going to turn into "denial of services" clinics, just like a lot of corporate law offices have turned into "denial of claims" depts.
(Officially, this office in a corpoaration is called "Dept. of claims acceptance," the running joke among lawyers is "Dept. of claims denial.")
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The pro-life pro-death supporters are not interested in "perfection" but rather INNOCENCE. Born Innocent, the Innocent should not be murdered as the anti-life liberals desire. Once proven to be guilty of capital crimes, those who have made conscious decisions to avoid innocence have earned the Death Penalty. Not very contradictory at all.
Much less contradictory than the Murder-the-Innocent-at-Birth but Warehouse-and-Coddle-the-Evil-Murderers groups (aka liberals).
DT - hope you are doing well, is it soft-tissue? have you checked out Dr Gold and the American Cancer Institute?
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those who have made conscious decisions to avoid innocence have earned the Death Penalty.
That very specifically in my eyes includes you, sock puppet - I'd grind your living tissues under my bootsoles without a care in the world, and go have ice cream after, and you know why ?
Because anyone who sells their very personhood to an agenda without regard to who and what it destroys, is no longer a human being, and thus hath "avoided innocence" entire.
To me, you and your ilk are just the triggermen of tyranny, the living, breathing implements without which, it could not function.
And to be brutally honest, a concept you have no familiarity with when you're too much the coward to even use your own posting name since you've completely despoiled it and ruined any reputation it had beyond jackboot licking scum - you don't give a rats ass yourself, most "pro-lifers" only give a shit right up to the moment it pops out, getting off on forcing their will upon others to absolve the guilt of their own monstrous behavior, and ignorantly condemning innocent children to the hell of being unwelcome and unwanted in this world and society.
And that is a hell I know quite well, even intimately, you might say - which is why I despise them so - especially when their hypocrisy is revealed in all it's unholy and disgusting glory by their roadblocking actual education and access to birth control, all the while decrying the only option those kept ignorant and out of reach have left to them, a bitter act of malice and deliberate cruelty I won't even pretend is accidental.
Pro "life" my ass, you and your ilk don't even know the meaning of the word, and surely do not deserve to have it applied to you, for you are no more than an object and an obstacle, just a bit of debris I plan to kick out of the way as it hinders my path, and of no more value.
-Frem
It cannot be said enough, those who do not learn from history, are doomed to endlessly repeat it
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I'm not seeing a whole lot of full-term, nine-month abortions, so I don't really get your whole "murdered-at-birth" line of crapola, JSF.
And just to be clear, these people aren't "pro-life". They're "anti-choice"; they don't want YOU to have any choices in the matter. They want government completely out health care - except in this instance. They want to keep government completely out of your private life - except in this instance. They want to keep your privacy and your medical records completely private - except in this instance. They want to keep the government completely out of your "freedom" - except in this instance. And in this instance, they want COMPLETE government control of your life, because you obviously can't be trusted to know what's best for you.
I suppose I should feel some relief that at least JSF admits he's not against murder per se. By the way, you do realize that there are "christians" who don't consider even newborns to be truly innocent, right? They're born of sin, according to some, and the only way to NOT be born of sin and thus stained by sin is to not be born at all. So you could say that in a sense, abortion is "doing God's work".
Mike
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Ok, this may be a silly question.... but its a phrase that gets tossed around quite a bit here..
Whats a "sock puppet"?
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It's a term for someone's "alter ego", so to speak - say you want to pump up your position, make it look like you've got more support than you do; you invent a new online persona, who is really you, but claims to be someone else, and who supports your positions in every possible way.
It's also done by people who claim they'll never set foot in RWED again, but who just can't resist the temptation. I believe that's who Frem is referring to with JSF. And I think he's probably correct in that conclusion. :D
I've been accused of being Rue's sockpuppet. I'll take that as quite a compliment, since I consider her quite intelligent. She and I disagree quite vehemently on Second Amendment issues, though, so if one of us is the puppet of the other, we really suck at it... 
Mike
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And the smile signals emptiness
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Now THAT's slanted. And I do not accept the excuse you offer for pro-life, pro-death-penalty; I think it is a complete contradiction in terms and always will. Any pro-lifer who adopts a child that would have been aborted, I will respect. The rest: not so much.
Much less contradictory than the Murder-the-Innocent-at-Birth but Warehouse-and-Coddle-the-Evil-Murderers groups (aka liberals).
There are so many flaws in the arguments it's pathetic, but neither side will ever convince the other so it's moot.Quote:
But most of them didn't make a "conscious decision". The majority either have mental illness, came from a situation where it was kill or be killed, were abused as children which warped their thinking, or any number of other things. To say they made a conscious decision is awfully easy for those of us middle-class, comfortable people; again, it's white and black, no greys allowed.
who have made conscious decisions to avoid innocence have earned the Death Penalty
To decide a fetus is a "human being" at conception is equally black-and-white thinking. If so, then every time a woman menstruates or a man jacks off, they're destroying "potential" humans...it's an arbitrary delineation, and is equally stupid. To also say that a woman has to carry a fetus to term when she's been raped, been the victm of incest or it endangers HER life, is unconscionable in my opinion.
It's awfully easy to live in the black and white; it's much harder to search one's humanity to see the greys. Throwing around pejoratives like "anti-life liberals" and "Murder-the-Innocent-at-Birth but Warehouse-and-Coddle-the-Evil-Murderers groups (aka liberals)" is pathetic parroting of slogans that have no meaning. It costs more to put someone to death than it does to keep them in prison; how many people have repented in prison and gone on to do good works?
The right is sooo willing to excuse its transgressors--against the very things that make up its supposed strongest beliefs--yet unwilling to see the greys in human beings. It sickens me. In this I am with Frem; tho' I wouldn't hurt you, I decry your attitudes, as they have in large part caused many of the problems that exist today. To call yourselve "pro-life" is exactly as erroneous as Frem says; if you were truly "pro-life", you'd want to save ALL lives, not just make an issue out of the yet-unborn, AND you wouldn't tolerate fanatics who kill doctors.
Nope, "pro-life" is a catch phrase and totally fallacious. "Pro-agenda" is more like it.
I'm not for or against the death penalty; nor am I for or against abortion. I think there are greys in both areas and each case should be decided--carefully--on its merits. Yet right now I'm considered pretty heavily bleeding-heart liberal. So where does that put me in your black-and-white scale of things??
I'm also bisexual and buddhist, so I guess that alone would condemn me. There's only three words for those who live life in the black and white: Pathetic. Self-deluded. And dangerous.
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I'm Pro-Choice, and Pro Death Penalty.
Heres why:
Pro-Choice: A woman has the right to do with her body as she sees fit. Its also a moral decision that I have nothing to do with, nor does anyone else.
Although, on a personal level, I find it disgusting when some women use it as a form of birth-control... (5 abortions in 4 years? There is something wrong with you little girl... and almost a bit evil. Or at least, sociopathic.)
But again, its not my right to say one way or the other.
Pro Death Penalty: Why? Some people are evil. Some crimes are unforgivable. Some people are, because of their crimes, never to be trusted among humanity again. Get rid of them like you would any dangerous animal.
Just my 2 cents.
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I had a friend who would snicker about the anti-choice crowd: he would paraphrase their attitude as 'life is sacred - until it's born'.
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