couple more folks gone...
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UPDATED: Sunday, September 20, 2009 07:33
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Originally posted by Niki2:
Guess we must be about the same age;
I would never ask, nor comment, about the age of a lady--- :<)
I was born in Jan 1951,which means I am becoming an Auld Phart. Which is funny: between my ears, I'm still 17 and waiting to get started on the stuff I wanta do with my life. My body, however, is being slowed down by heart troubles, and I seem to have racked up 30 years in the same profession, paid the bills and raised 2 kids.
As to music, yes I love Simon ( and Garfunkel, or by himself , or with band and back-up singers ), Tom Paxton ( still around and performing), Arlo
Guthrie (touring with a 3rd generation of Guthrie children.)
And yes, you can do good stuff with an orchestra or choir, and even with electric guitars, but too many groups use that stuff to cover a lack of real talent and skill. Pyrotechnics are not part of MUSIC, though, and dance is not an integral part of it. Any time the performance becomes more about those things than voice or instrument, MUSIC loses out.
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Yes, it's indeed sad to hear when a fav personality passes. We have Patrick Swayze, Henry Gibson and Mary Travers. Henry Gibson was not as much of an icon as the other two but he is remembered fondly by this poor soul.
He will be missed. (He was also in Wedding Crashers)
Peter, Paul and Mary were icons for any medium. And I agree that they could do more with their voices and guitars than most bands today. R.I.P.
A true artist, a genuine bonafide star, would not need pyrotechnics to engage an audience. Carlos Santana, Jimi Hendrix, Crosby, Stills, Nash & Young, Earth, Wind and Fire. Barry White. They, along with countless others I'm forgetting, made their own.
Us Auld Pharts gotta stick together. But I'm just keeping it real.
SGG
Tawabawho?
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Originally posted by NewOldBrownCoat:
And yes, you can do good stuff with an orchestra or choir, and even with electric guitars, but too many groups use that stuff to cover a lack of real talent and skill. Pyrotechnics are not part of MUSIC, though, and dance is not an integral part of it. Any time the performance becomes more about those things than voice or instrument, MUSIC loses out.
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Originally posted by Shinygoodguy:
A true artist, a genuine bonafide star, would not need pyrotechnics to engage an audience. Carlos Santana, Jimi Hendrix, Crosby, Stills, Nash & Young, Earth, Wind and Fire. Barry White.
With all due respect: Bullshit, bullshit, fucking bullshit. I will not let you slander dance. My wife is a dancer; so is one of our BDHs. Go tell them that. When someone said to Tchiakovsky that he should rush a piece because it was "only dance music" he went ballistic. There was, in his humble opinion, no more important form of musical expression.
To dismiss dance or, for that matter, any part of the stage experience, is to diminish the whole artistic endeavour. When I go to see a show, I go to see it as well as hear it; That's why we call it "seeing" a show. You may as well tell a film producer to forget about sound - we only want to watch movies.
All of the artisits nominated above were not above using dance and pyrotechnics and any other trick to improve their visual performance. I'm not knocking them as artists, though PPM, BW and EWF are outside my musical interests, because they're all good at what they do. A true artist may not appeal to you too. Don't call it bad because your tastes are differnt
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Originally posted by Shinygoodguy:
A true artist, a genuine bonafide star, would not need pyrotechnics to engage an audience. Carlos Santana, Jimi Hendrix, Crosby, Stills, Nash & Young, Earth, Wind and Fire. Barry White. They, along with countless others I'm forgetting, made their own.
Didn't Hendrix pretty much INVENT the idea of pyrotechnics in a rock show? Well, after Tchaikovsky's "1812 Overture" with its cannonfire, that is...
It's all good, and it's all part of the show.
Pink Floyd never *needed* the stage show to get the message of "The Wall" out there - the show just made it more accessible, more watchable. They never needed the lasers or the flying pig, either - those weren't for the music, or the reason Roger Waters wrote the songs; they were for the crowd's enjoyment, as are most of the "showy" aspects of the show. As the venues get bigger, the "show" tends to grow to keep people watching, even when they can barely see the performers. If you want to get a real sense of a performer's talent level, catch them in a small, intimate setting, stripped down and unplugged, and if they can still wow you, you'll know the true depths of their talents.
I saw this guy do these songs in a small space (Austin City Limits live taping) a few years back. I'm still impressed by what one man, one guitar, and one voice can accomplish, and the stories he can tell.
Mike
Old friend charity
Cruel twisted smile
And the smile signals emptiness
For me
Starless and Bible black
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Originally posted by hughff:
With all due respect: Bullshit, bullshit, fucking bullshit. I will not let you slander dance. My wife is a dancer; so is one of our BDHs. Go tell them that. When someone said to Tchiakovsky that he should rush a piece because it was "only dance music" he went ballistic. There was, in his humble opinion, no more important form of musical expression.
To dismiss dance or, for that matter, any part of the stage experience, is to diminish the whole artistic endeavour. When I go to see a show, I go to see it as well as hear it; That's why we call it "seeing" a show. You may as well tell a film producer to forget about sound - we only want to watch movies.
All of the artisits nominated above were not above using dance and pyrotechnics and any other trick to improve their visual performance. I'm not knocking them as artists, though PPM, BW and EWF are outside my musical interests, because they're all good at what they do. A true artist may not appeal to you too. Don't call it bad because your tastes are differnt
Don't believe I did any of that. Dance is dance, is good, is interesting, and often very sexy.
But it's not primarily about the music. Excellent, perfect music often gets distorted for dance-- not a complaint, a truth. Dance has its own needs that require that, correcting rythym, cutting for length, whatever.
But you can't dance while playing a piano concerto, or sing while dancing a strenuous tango.
But then again, my daughter calls me a minimalist-- how little do you have to do to convey your message to the audience, get the emotional response you're aiming for? Sometimes you need only a couple of voices and a couple of guitars; sometimes you need a 20 piece band with strings and brass; sometimes to convey the message you need strobes and fog and glittery costumes and 50 dancers; sometimes you need 14 weeks and 9 actors and a spaceship made of plywood.
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Damn, Hugh, who pissed in your Cheerios?
You are way out of line bringing this up in a thread started to honor the memory of a few people who have passed on recently.
I hereby dub you the Kanye West of fff.net.
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Didn't Hendrix pretty much INVENT the idea of pyrotechnics in a rock show? Well, after Tchaikovsky's "1812 Overture" with its cannonfire, that is...
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Ok, I give you that one.
Y'know, somehow I knew someone would bring up Jimi trying to smoke-a-guitar-routine as pyro.
It's all good, as the youmg'uns say. 
SGG
Tawabawho?
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how little do you have to do to convey your message to the audience, get the emotional response you're aiming for?
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I'm with NOBC.
My comments were meant for those crappy bands (and you know who they are) that rely on gimmicks to entertain rather good, old-fashioned talent. I named those that I remember had talent, IMHO, and it seemed to me that they didn't solely rely on exploding stages to entertain is all.
And B, I was once a dancer back, you know, when I was young. Long live artistic expression, especially hurtling through space in the black.
Serenity now.
SGG
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