Fringe Returns

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TRAVELER

Friday, September 18, 2009 2:50 AM

Yea. I saw that X-Files spot myself. It was just a moment as the camera panned by.

I had an itch in the back of my head about Charlie during that scene at the end of the chase.

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Traveler

FELIXDACAT

Friday, September 18, 2009 1:15 PM

Spoiler alert.
I love Fringe. It was the most interesting show of last season (although tied with the final few episodes of Sarah Conner Chronicles).
The premiere of season two was very good. I think giving Peter more focus is a great idea. The new FBI agent worked as well.
But I do think we have a gaffe at the end.
So, to be able to approach Olivia, the shape shifter (SS) finds and kills the nurse and takes her shape. The SS goes and interrogates Olivia and then tries to kill her. SS gets shot twice before jumping first 3 stories then two stories (and therefore has evidence of increase strength/durability).
There is then a gap of time as the agents and Peter make their way to the basement. The SS approaches Charlie who then fires two shots point blank. You then hear two more shots as the camera follows Peter. Peter then finds Charlie standing over the body of the nurse. Later we find that the SS is burning Charlie’s body after taking over Charlie’s shape.
Err, aren’t we missing a body?
The SS had enough time to retrieve the nurse’s body, I will give them that. But wouldn’t the Fringe division be looking for the original nurse’s body if they think the nurse in the basement is the SS ? Wouldn’t Walter want to do a complete autopsy?
Also, there were a total of 4 shots in the basement. The SS did 2 to duplicate the wounds it was given before it jumped, but the first 2 were the real Charlie’s. Therefore, how did the supposed SS die, as it does not appear to have any other wounds? Also, the SS would have had to take Charlie’s shape and change into his clothes in 30 seconds or less?
Just askin.

FX

DEWRASTLER

Friday, September 18, 2009 3:15 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Cybersnark:
They even had an X-Files shout out this ep; it looked like there was an episode playing on the TV when the shapeshifter killed his first on-screen victim.

I think there was another X-files shout out besides just the scene on the TV. During the hearings at Washington the Congressman said something about the "X and Fringe divisions of the FBI". If I heard what I thought I heard, that was pretty neat too.

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RIPWASH

Friday, September 18, 2009 11:39 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by felixdacat:
Spoiler alert.
I love Fringe. It was the most interesting show of last season (although tied with the final few episodes of Sarah Conner Chronicles).
The premiere of season two was very good. I think giving Peter more focus is a great idea. The new FBI agent worked as well.
But I do think we have a gaffe at the end.
So, to be able to approach Olivia, the shape shifter (SS) finds and kills the nurse and takes her shape. The SS goes and interrogates Olivia and then tries to kill her. SS gets shot twice before jumping first 3 stories then two stories (and therefore has evidence of increase strength/durability).
There is then a gap of time as the agents and Peter make their way to the basement. The SS approaches Charlie who then fires two shots point blank. You then hear two more shots as the camera follows Peter. Peter then finds Charlie standing over the body of the nurse. Later we find that the SS is burning Charlie’s body after taking over Charlie’s shape.
Err, aren’t we missing a body?
The SS had enough time to retrieve the nurse’s body, I will give them that. But wouldn’t the Fringe division be looking for the original nurse’s body if they think the nurse in the basement is the SS ? Wouldn’t Walter want to do a complete autopsy?
Also, there were a total of 4 shots in the basement. The SS did 2 to duplicate the wounds it was given before it jumped, but the first 2 were the real Charlie’s. Therefore, how did the supposed SS die, as it does not appear to have any other wounds? Also, the SS would have had to take Charlie’s shape and change into his clothes in 30 seconds or less?
Just askin.

FX

It all seemed very quick to me as well. Even though it was a good episode overall, there was some questionable moments, the ending being the biggest.

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Somehow the Shapeshifter overpowered/killed Charlie, brought the nurse's body from another part of the building back to that area, plugged him/herself into Charlie, transformed (in and of itself taking about 30 seconds) and took Charlie's clothes off the dead body and put them on himself. That really should have taken a lot longer.

So, no. I don't think we're missing a body, but the shapeshifter must have been fast like a freak to do all of that in that short amount of time.

I too was sad about Charlie. That was a real shame.

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SINGATE

Saturday, September 19, 2009 7:15 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by traveler:
I had an itch in the back of my head about Charlie during that scene at the end of the chase.

I got that same itch when the new FBI agent became more involved in the proceedings. Once she, Peter and Charlie were in the tunnels that pretty much clinched it.

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CYBERSNARK

Saturday, September 19, 2009 2:14 PM

As noted, the shapeshifter replacing Charlie doesn't really work out, logistically.

It would've had to kill Charlie, perform the shift, damage the shifter module to render it inoperable, then steal his clothes, plant the nurse's body (which Charlie didn't see, so it wasn't there initially), disguise whatever method it used to kill her, and replicate at least four gunshot wounds (two from upstairs, plus the two that Peter heard), all before Jessup could get downstairs.

Even if the shapeshifter did somehow manage all that (and fool Walter's probable autopsy of the "shapeshifter"), they're still short a body: they have the "dead shifter" in the form of the nurse, but not the nurse herself --they'd definitely be smart enough to immediately (i.e., before the shifter could dispose of Charlie) check the incinerator for organic residue. Forensics can't have swept the place before the shifter destroyed Charlie's body, or they'd have found it.

The only way it could work is if there were two shifters. One of whom kills and replaces Charlie while the gunfight is happening elsewhere, hides his body, then kills shifter #1. The team recovers both the shifter and the nurse (off-camera), leaving no further investigation while shifter #2 disposes of Charlie.

Also, Charlie-shifter is infiltrating Fringe Division --not trying to kill Olivia, which was shifter #1's mission.

Remember what the guy in the typewriter shop said: "you're one of them." Clearly, there are others (the only question is whether these "others" are also shifers, or did this particular guy have a special talent).

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TRAVELER

Saturday, September 19, 2009 7:34 PM

Not saying they will, but some of this shapeshifter puzzle may come up in the next episode

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SHINYGOODGUY

Sunday, September 20, 2009 8:48 AM

Ep #1 was great opening (with some minor flaws) and loads of fun. Except in a few instances, this ep kept me on my toes.

Thanks O2TB, for posting pic of Ana Torv (my new found love) she is all woman. BTW the actress that plays her sister could very well be her sister they look so alike (rrrrowrr, she's hot!).

Here it is, my TV girlfriends:

1- Summer Glau
2- Christina Hendricks
3- Ana Torv

Lord, I don't ask for much

SGG

Tawabawho?

ECGORDON

Sunday, September 20, 2009 1:43 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Shinygoodguy:
Here it is, my TV girlfriends:

1- Summer Glau
2- Christina Hendricks
3- Ana Torv

Lord, I don't ask for much

I'd ask to be allowed to add Yvonne Strahovski to the list.

SHINYGOODGUY

Monday, September 21, 2009 6:33 AM

Make that 4 Girlfriends.

Your right EC, she's positively yummy!

Her and Chuck make a good couple, and I wouldn't kick her out of bed.

SGG

Tawabawho?

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