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Serena Williams- Giant crybaby

POSTED BY: SignyM
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KPO

Wednesday, September 16, 2009 11:57 PM

Hmm, I guess ghetto culture has its own flavour, and a lot of black people who aren't really 'ghetto' identify with elements of it, and so can still exhibit ghetto culture. One aspect I would say is an attitude of anger and aggresion, and sense of being persecuted - all exhibited by kanye and serena one could say.

As for whether there are other ways of labelling their behaviour that are human-specific and not race/culture specific - one could label serena as frustrated, spoilt sportsperson like Mcenroe or whatever. Kanye though, to me came across as typical, angry and oversensitive-to-discrimination black man. So wulf was perhaps a bit unfair on serena, but I thought his main point might've been to bring up kanye's actions, and he used serena's vaguely comparible outburst to get there.

Heads should roll

OPPYH

Thursday, September 17, 2009 3:51 AM

"Everyone has a fair opportunity for an education, and career. There is no denial just those who choose to succeed, or to fail."

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You really BELIEVE this?? I find that amazing, in this day and age. It can only be ignorance which claims that everyone has a fair opportunity in America today, especially in the ghetto. You truly believe "opportunity" is equally available to all, and that's all it takes? Wow.

Yes, I believe it, because I've seen it happen twice. Two of my friends(both minorities, both very low income households) worked crappy jobs and struggled paying college tuitions to get a better career. One is an accountant, and making a great annual salary.
The other has been a middle school teacher for nearly 5 years.

I'm puzzled as to what forces you think are keeping people chained down. If there is the will to further your education, and get a degree in the field of your choosing it will happen. So yes, I guess the drive to better ones self is all it takes.

OPPYH

Thursday, September 17, 2009 3:58 AM

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Originally posted by rue:
Is this economy geared for EVERYONE to succeed, or are its rewards strictly limited to only a few, no matter how deserving the remainder may be ?

It's called relocation. Send out 150 resumes(most can be done online) in your specified field. You will get enough replies and phone interviews to land you a job. You may have to move to a different state, but you will end up with a career.

SIGNYM

Thursday, September 17, 2009 3:02 PM

Oppyh- You are so blind it's.... wow. All I can say is... wow. And you haven't answered my question. Or Rue's either, for that matter.

To re-state Rue's: IF everyone gets a PhD, will there be PhD jobs available for everyone?

SIGNYM

Thursday, September 17, 2009 4:00 PM

BTW, in point of fact Serena AND Venus both grew up in the 'hood until they were 10 and 11 respectively: the mean streets of the City of Compton, not very far from where I live. Their mom- Oracene - did her best to isolate them from the streets. She home schooled all five of her children and raised them as Jehova's Witnesses. And the Williams sisters DID indeed meet racism on their way up to the top, and still encounter it today.

That's part of the problem of being black in America: because no matter HOW GOOD you are- whether you're a world ranking tennis player or the President of the United States or a respected scholar or highly-paid movie star- someone will always throw your blackness in your face. And when that happens, it is absolutely correct to throw it back.

There is an interesting parallel to prejudice against women (which BTW Wulf also amply demonstrates. In his view, women should be barefoot, pregnant and in the kitchen. In his view, that whole push for "equality" was extremely misguided.). Because it is SO pervasive- just like prejudice against blacks- a large part of it is invisible to everyone, even the victims. The only people who have personal insight into it are the people who have lived as both. And, boy, do they have stories to tell!

WULFENSTAR

Thursday, September 17, 2009 5:15 PM

"which BTW Wulf also amply demonstrates. In his view, women should be barefoot, pregnant and in the kitchen."

NEVER said that. Nor do I believe it.

Now Sig, let me ask you then... what is wrong with a woman who CHOOSES to be "barefoot, pregnant and in the kitchen"?

If thats her choice, free from coercion mind... just cause YOU wouldn't choose it, doesn't make your choice any better.

OPPYH

Thursday, September 17, 2009 5:25 PM

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Originally posted by SignyM:
Oppyh- You are so blind it's.... wow. All I can say is... wow. And you haven't answered my question. Or Rue's either, for that matter.

To re-state Rue's: IF everyone gets a PhD, will there be PhD jobs available for everyone?

Well, the "if everyone gets a PhD" question is just stupid because that will never happen. If everyone on the planet turned gay would our species die out within a hundred years? That's the type of nonsensical question that is being posed here. But to entertain you, the answer to Rue's question ummm......NO. I don't think 6 billion people are all going for a PhD. And if they did, they would have jobs, but there would be a hell of a lot of overqualified workers in the world. Wow, I'm so blind, and I can still answer absurdly hypothetical questions.

KWICKO

Thursday, September 17, 2009 11:48 PM

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BTW, in point of fact Serena AND Venus both grew up in the 'hood until they were 10 and 11 respectively: the mean streets of the City of Compton, not very far from where I live. Their mom- Oracene - did her best to isolate them from the streets. She home schooled all five of her children and raised them as Jehova's Witnesses. And the Williams sisters DID indeed meet racism on their way up to the top, and still encounter it today.

Actually, Signy, I did know that, which is why I asked earlier WHY Wulfie considered them "ghetto", and if he considered OTHER people who lived in Compton "ghetto", or just the black ones. Both George Bushes (yup, they lived in Compton when Dubya was a child), General Omar Bradley, Kevin Costner, and others I listed all lived there for some time. The Williams sisters were born in Saginaw, Michigan, and moved to Compton when Serena was around three, I believe. And they moved to West Palm Beach, Florida when she was nine. So I guess six years in Compton makes a black person "ghetto" to the core...

And oddly enough, I've been to Compton, and never had a problem. Even walked through it at 2am on a Saturday. Color me crazy, but I wasn't harassed, mugged, shot, yelled at, chased, sold crack to, or anything. A couple kids said "Whassup" as I passed them on the sidewalk, but that was the totality of my horrific encounters with "ghetto" gangs of Compton.

Maybe I'm so "ghetto" I just can't see it anymore... [shrugs].

Mike

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DREAMTROVE

Friday, September 18, 2009 1:58 AM

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Mike said this:
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Originally posted by Wulfenstar:
"I would rather die fighting, than live on my knees."

Who are you quoting there?

Emiliano Zapata. Do I win an oil company?
Another Kropotkinite. I wonder if Wulf got there from here, or didn't know.

Zapata died, and later Bush Sr. stole his skull as part of an asinine ritual that made him the first pencil pusher to make it to the head of the clandestine virginian conspiracy. He also had a swamp named after him in Cuba.

KWICKO

Friday, September 18, 2009 3:39 AM

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Originally posted by dreamtrove:
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Mike said this:
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Originally posted by Wulfenstar:
"I would rather die fighting, than live on my knees."

Who are you quoting there?

Emiliano Zapata. Do I win an oil company?
Another Kropotkinite. I wonder if Wulf got there from here, or didn't know.

Zapata died, and later Bush Sr. stole his skull as part of an asinine ritual that made him the first pencil pusher to make it to the head of the clandestine virginian conspiracy. He also had a swamp named after him in Cuba.

Sorry, but if Wulfie's quoting Zapata, he's doing it wrong. The way Wulfie "quoted" him, it might as well say, "I would rather die fighting, than eating pancakes." Makes as much sense that way.

The quote you're looking for is, "I'd rather die standing than live on my knees." It's the juxtaposition of standing to kneeling that makes the quote memorable.

Seems to me if you're going to try to choose someone's words to live by, you could at least get the words right, Wulf. It's kind of like quoting those famous words of Patrick Henry: "Give me liberty, or give me something else."

And no, Dream, you don't win an oil company. Heck, all I got was a leaky popsicle!

Mike

Old friend charity
Cruel twisted smile
And the smile signals emptiness
For me
Starless and Bible black