FOX Developing A Sci-Fi Western

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HELL'S KITTEN

Friday, September 11, 2009 3:42 PM

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Originally posted by asarian:
Ain't about not being the first.

Then why are people always complaining - not necessarily here, but all over - that "ZOMG!!1! This has been done!! WTF?? Do they think we're stupid??"?

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But it's kinda sore, don't ya think, that FOX first even refused to air Heart of Gold, adamantly opposed to Western themes for their show,

"Sore"? No, not at all. First and foremost, "Heart of Gold" was a HORRIBLE, overly cliche, poorly scripted episode.

Second, the people that refused to air it are LONG GONE FROM FOX. Why does this not register with people? So many people seem to think FOX is some sort of evil sentient entity that fucked over Firefly, completely forgetting that it's the people in charge - who have since been fired or moved to "bigger and better" - who were the sole cause of this travesty due to their short-sightedness and inability to think outside the box, as it were. So, "Sore"? Not so much.

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and now come back and invite other writers to do just that! So, I'd say, if they want to redeem themselves, then let them be man enough to admit they were wrong, and bring back Firefly already!

New ownership, new rules, my friend. As I said - and as others keep saying over and over and over - the people at FOX responsible for screwing the pooch with Firefly no longer have anything to do with any decisions the company makes. Why the hell should someone have to "redeem themself" for something they didn't do? And more over, there are people in higher positions there who already have admitted that they wouldn't have treated Firefly or Joss the way they were treated back then. Need proof, do some research. Not good enough? How about the fact that FOX is willing to suffer through a second season of Dollhouse, even though its ratings - particularly the first half of the season - were abysmal? Still not good enough? Too bad.

Firefly as we all came to know and love it will not be back in that same form; it's just not feasible. Actors and writers have moved on, the industry landscape has changed, and any attempt to "re-imagine" or "re-make" Firefly has a better than average chance of completely letting us down.

I'm really not trying to be a bitch here, but after reading the same whinging about the same things for nearly the past seven years, it gets a bit tiresome. I'm just trying to point out the facts and the reality of the situation, which apparently isn't a popular practise.

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Originally posted by Jongsstraw:
I doubt anything will ever come close to the magical chemistry that Firefly achieved.

I agree whole-heartedly. Well said.

UNABASHEDVIXEN

Friday, September 11, 2009 4:37 PM

It does sting, but it's been seven years since Firefly and television execs have short memories.

Given that it's being done by the "Chuck" folks, I hold out hope for goodness.

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MANGOLO

Friday, September 11, 2009 8:18 PM

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Originally posted by Jongsstraw:
I doubt anything will ever come close to the magical chemistry that Firefly achieved. Firefly has pretty much ruined every other show for me, as I find them all mostly un-watchable due to the hackneyed writing, boring subject matter, and mediocre casts.

I agree with the second point whole heartedly, but I do think there is a chance of still having a great show within the 'Verse even with a totally different cast. Think about ST: TOS, ST: TNG, DS9, etc. Each had its set of endearing characters (not as good as Firefly, but still...)

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ASARIAN

Saturday, September 12, 2009 5:10 AM

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Originally posted by Hell's Kitten:
No, not at all. First and foremost, "Heart of Gold" was a HORRIBLE, overly cliche, poorly scripted episode.

Could be that's true. 'Twas not the reason FOX didn't air it, though. They specifically told Joss "No Western themes!" And, good on him, he did it anyway. :)

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Second, the people that refused to air it are LONG GONE FROM FOX. Why does this not register with people? So many people seem to think FOX is some sort of evil sentient entity that fucked over Firefly,

Well, they DID fuck over Firefly. May have been due to a perfectly legitimate conflict of interest, but it's what they did nonetheless. I'm just trying to point out the facts and the reality of the situation.

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As I said - and as others keep saying over and over and over - the people at FOX responsible for screwing the pooch with Firefly no longer have anything to do with any decisions the company makes. Why the hell should someone have to "redeem themself" for something they didn't do? And more over, there are people in higher positions there who already have admitted that they wouldn't have treated Firefly or Joss the way they were treated back then. Need proof, do some research. Not good enough? How about the fact that FOX is willing to suffer through a second season of Dollhouse, even though its ratings - particularly the first half of the season - were abysmal? Still not good enough? Too bad.

Everybody's so mad... In the meantime, you make my point exactly: FOX has had good reason to redeem itself: we know it, they know it, and they have indeed tried doing so giving Dollhouse a second chance (which, in earnest, it probably didn't deserve). Just sayin' that if they felt the need to redeem themselves, I'd rather they'd given Firefly a second chance.

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Firefly as we all came to know and love it will not be back in that same form; it's just not feasible. Actors and writers have moved on, the industry landscape has changed, and any attempt to "re-imagine" or "re-make" Firefly has a better than average chance of completely letting us down.

Yes, it could become a masterful job of muck-up: there's always that chance when you create something of exceptional beauty. But did Rembrandt ever stop painting after his Nightwatch, just because he feared that anything thereafter would be 'less than'? That's a poor motivation for not even trying. What was it again that Zoe said in that episode you despise so much? "I'm not so afraid of losing something that I won't try having it." Words to live by.

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I'm really not trying to be a bitch here, but after reading the same whinging about the same things for nearly the past seven years, it gets a bit tiresome.

As someone recently pointed out, all of this has happened before, and all of this will happen again. It comes with being here for nearly the past seven years. As for the rest, maybe you shoulda stuck with your wiles.

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Originally posted by Jongsstraw:
I doubt anything will ever come close to the magical chemistry that Firefly achieved.

I agree whole-heartedly. Well said.

Glad you agree. Of course, no one really disagreed with it, either.

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HELL'S KITTEN

Sunday, September 13, 2009 4:24 PM

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Originally posted by asarian:
Glad you agree. Of course, no one really disagreed with it, either.

...looks like someone needs a hug!

C'mon, everyone! Big eGroup eHug!

(Geez, Mangolo, how dare you agree with Jongsstraw when no one disagreed with him...)

AURAPTOR

Sunday, September 13, 2009 4:57 PM

A Sci-fi ...western ?

I don't get it.

The T.Rex they call JANE!

XANA888

Tuesday, September 15, 2009 9:55 PM

LOL this is the comic that linked me to this story from Whedonesque:

(from hijinksensue.com)

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TENTHCREWMEMBER

Tuesday, September 15, 2009 11:37 PM

LOL! Funny comic!

Also, this show concept reminds me a lot of an RPG I play, DEADLANDS, specifically the Deadlands: Hell On Earth version.

The first being Western crossed with gothic horror.
The latter being that + muties in post-apocalyptic age. They even take it further with Deadlands Lost Colony where mankind abandons Earth only to find evil lurks in every corner of the 'verse...but I digress.

I will probably watch this, should it come to fruition. I am a big fan of westerns, especially when they take a twist (Briscoe County Jr. for example).

And I am quite the anti-Fox/Joss-supporting fool, but at some point, they have to redeem themselves, and if they do it by stealing Joss' fundamental idea? Well, what better form of flattery.

Besides, I already watch Dollhouse. So there ya go.

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PEULSAR5

Wednesday, September 16, 2009 12:42 AM

As with every other sci-fi show--I will give it a fair shot.

PORTER010

Wednesday, September 16, 2009 1:04 AM

My oh my, How short Fox's memory is. You know, in the old day's they used to keel haul traitors, I ain't gotta keel so this will have to do. I'm going to boycot fox for the rest of my life, they killed our show and now want to bring back some sloppy, ripped off copy of it. How dare they.

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