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Obama lends billions to Brazilian Oil Company - Soros to benefit

POSTED BY: RIPWash
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GEEZER

Tuesday, September 8, 2009 6:48 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Kwicko:
Please cite where I've ever complained that anyone's trying to make me shut up about ANYTHING, or shut the fuck up.

Well, that was easy.

From a bit earlier in this thread.

"So let's see... When it comes to policy, I'm not allowed to compare Obama to Bush OR ANY OTHER PRESIDENT, according to Geezer's rules of how he wants history to be convenient for him."

Oh, and btw, about "Go back and re-read what I wrote. Where did I specifically accuse YOU? I said YOUR KIND."
Nothing but sophistry.

"Keep the Shiny side up"

GINOBIFFARONI

Tuesday, September 8, 2009 7:04 PM

Perhaps the US is struggling to maintain a presence in Brazil

http://english.aljazeera.net/news/americas/2009/09/200997183748340697.
html

France and Brazil sign nuclear deal
Lula, left, is considering adding French fighter
jets to a revamped military [EPA]

France's partially state-owned electric and gas utility has signed a nuclear co-operation with two Brazilian companies during a state visit to Brazil by Nicolas Sarkozy, France's president.

GDF Suez will provide assistance to Eletronuclear and Eletrobras to develop Brazil's nuclear power industry under the deal signed on Monday.

The agreement came on the same day Sarkozy was hosted by Brazilian President Luiz Inacio Lula da Silva at an Independence Day military parade attended by thousands of people in Brasilia, the capital.

Sarkozy's visit is a sign of the developing military and technology ties between France and Brazil.

Dassault, a French aerospace company, is one of three aircraft makers who are under consideration by Lula for a $2bn contract to build 36 fighter aircraft for the Brzailian air force.

'French choice'

The Rafale fighter jet is considered to be Lula's preferred choice over the US F/A-18 Super Hornet and the Gripen NG, built by Saab, a Swedish company.

The Brazilian president said before Sarkozy's visit that Dassault’s offer had an "exceptional comparative advantage" because Paris has agreed to share all military technology with Brazil as part of the deal.

Talks with France over the Rafale aircraft are at "a very advanced stage and I think that we will reach a good understanding with France," Lula said in a radio interview.

Brazil last December agreed to buy five submarines and 50 military transport helicopters from France, in a deal worth about $10bn.

Sarkozy and Lula were set to sign the final confirmation of those two major purchases on Monday.

Brazil is modernising its military in an attempt to protect its natural resources in the Amazon and new offshore oil fields.

Lula has said that Brazil's overhaul of the military is part of a strategy aimed at establishing the country as one of the world’s 10 major powers.

The French seem to be more able to make the deals

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Lets party like its 1939

FREMDFIRMA

Tuesday, September 8, 2009 7:20 PM

*plays square dance music*

KWICKO

Tuesday, September 8, 2009 8:39 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Geezer:
Quote:
Originally posted by Kwicko:
Please cite where I've ever complained that anyone's trying to make me shut up about ANYTHING, or shut the fuck up.

Well, that was easy.

From a bit earlier in this thread.

"So let's see... When it comes to policy, I'm not allowed to compare Obama to Bush OR ANY OTHER PRESIDENT, according to Geezer's rules of how he wants history to be convenient for him."

You took that as a complaint? Hell, I'm just trying to figure out "Geezer's Rules for Debate". You keep wanting to change them every day. One day you want exact words to go by, the next it's all "sophistry", and you're willing to infer any insult you please, no matter WHAT the exact words were.

Quote:

Oh, and btw, about "Go back and re-read what I wrote. Where did I specifically accuse YOU? I said YOUR KIND."
Nothing but sophistry.

Like the "sophistry" involved in you saying I claimed that YOU were comparing Obama to Hitler? You're reaching, and you're desperate, old man. You might want to look into some new reading glasses, because you're taking issue with things I never said.

By the way, can you please show me EXACTLY where I've ever started an argument by saying "But Bush did...", as you continuously claim? Those exact words, please. Find 'em, or shut the fuck up. Or was it just sophistry when you made that claim?

Mike

"It was already blue when we got here!"

DREAMTROVE

Tuesday, September 8, 2009 9:48 PM

I more had this in mind

but I couldn't find a good looney tune, stooges or marx brothers routine to it...

GEEZER

Tuesday, September 8, 2009 10:53 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Kwicko:
You took that as a complaint? Hell, I'm just trying to figure out "Geezer's Rules for Debate". You keep wanting to change them every day.

Yeah. I think Sophistry covers your posts quite well.

You got anything meaningful on the discussion of Obama lending money to Brazil, I'll reply. Otherwise, not so much.

"Keep the Shiny side up"

SIGNYM

Tuesday, September 8, 2009 11:32 PM

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It's just that the two articles imply that there is a connection that raises some questions. That's all. If I jumped, then I jumped. You never jump? Ever?

I have a really good nose for when something doesn't make sense, especially when a given explanation doesn't match up to the situation. That's why the Iraq invasion didn't make any sense whatsoever to me. The whole WMD scenario was just so much bull twaddle.

So yeah- I jump all the time. But you have to approach data with a very quiet mind. You can't impose your assumptions and prejudices on it, otherwise you'll miss the real story.

KWICKO

Wednesday, September 9, 2009 4:50 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Geezer:
Quote:
Originally posted by Kwicko:
You took that as a complaint? Hell, I'm just trying to figure out "Geezer's Rules for Debate". You keep wanting to change them every day.

Yeah. I think Sophistry covers your posts quite well.

You got anything meaningful on the discussion of Obama lending money to Brazil, I'll reply. Otherwise, not so much.

"Keep the Shiny side up"

Much like I think Stupidity covers YOUR posts pretty accurately.

If you've got anything meaningful to add to the discussion, please do. So far, you haven't.

Mike

"It was already blue when we got here!"

KWICKO

Wednesday, September 9, 2009 5:35 PM

Oh, and Ripper? You need to clarify your claims. You've said a couple of different times that Obama is "giving" Soros money, then you've posted links and mentioned "lending" money to Brazil. Is he giving the money away, or is he lending it? Because if you don't know the difference, can I have a loan?

Now, as to what I said about Haliburton, Cheney, et al, and when, let's just say that no matter what I said, if it was anything OTHER than "That's politics", I was called "un-American" for my troubles. Do you want to be treated the same way your "patriotic" brethren treated us on the left who were against the war in Iraq and the multi-billion dollar giveaways to Bush cronies?

And between being called un-American, terrorist-loving, America-hating, and "French", I was also repeatedly assured that on crimes were committed, so I should just shut the fuck up about Haliburton.

So I have to ask: Do you have any evidence of a crime here, or are you just asking for the left to treat the right far better than the right has ever treated us?

Mike

"It was already blue when we got here!"

RIPWASH

Wednesday, September 9, 2009 7:02 PM

I don't see where I said that Obama was giving the money to Soros. I said that Obama's lending/giving (kinda the same thing, but if ya wanna be picky . . . and NO, you can't have a loan without the proper references, a perfect credit score and three forms of identification including a full form birth certificate ) the money to the Brazillian company will quite possibly benefit Soros because of his recent acquisition of said company's stock. I also wondered why he would say "Okay" to drilling off-shore elsewhere in the world, but "No way, Jose" to off-shore drilling in the U.S.

Your "right to ask" is well-founded and I will reply thusly . . . No. No evidence of a crime. Never claimed that. Just pointing out something I thought was a little fishy is all.

And I think there's a fair bit of blame for foul treatment on either side of the aisle, don't you?

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