Wrong ship?
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Quote:People're gonna hate me for this, but I just replayed the kitchen scene (with Book & Jayne) in my head, but with Jayne's "thought" being just a blank and somewhat befuddled-looking stare. . .
Originally posted by THEREALME:
Simon looked at her and said his bit, but then Kaylee looked at her and said... nothing.
I think there wasn't anything there to register. This is not to suggest that Kaylee has no mind,
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Originally posted by Cybersnark:
People're gonna hate me for this, but I just replayed the kitchen scene (with Book & Jayne) in my head, but with Jayne's "thought" being just a blank and somewhat befuddled-looking stare. . .
I'm going from memory here, but I'm fairly sure that Jane does have a "thought". One that he's said earlier in the series to Mal very dramatically in an airlock as a matter of fact.
"I got stupid, the money was too good."
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Nice take.
I took his confession more of a concern about holding a "hot house" faith. A faith that works fine in the safe world of the abbey, but out in the real world, (where it is more needed) it fails spectacularly. That he is having a crisis of faith. If what you believe in does not work as expected in the outside world, is it true?
"Wash, where is my damn spaceship?"
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Originally posted by GoldenFool:
Hey all. I'm a little new to this board, mostly hang out on the OB, but I love the intense analysation of the eps that happens over here. Reckon you'll be seeing a bit more of me. Forgive me while I attempt to get the hang of the quote system.Quote:
Xarr, I popped in trusty DVD #4 and checked it out for you.
Book thinks, 'I don't give half a hump whether you're innocent or not! [menacingly]So where does that put you?'
Definitely hostile, but also a bit cryptic. Mysterious... Just like Book is anyway.
...Without the hostile I mean.
What I always wondered about that comment from Book was, who was the comment directed to? Was it directed at Jayne? Does Book know something about Jayne that we don't? Or is the comment directed at the crew in general? Or at River specifically?
From what I've read, I bet you guys have an opinion...
Charlotte
Hi and welcome!
I just watched OIS (it's still in my DVD drive) and for the first time "realized" that what Book says feels more like it is in the context of an interrogation. Previously, I thought it was in the context of an argument that happened at some point in his powerful past -- but this time it really felt like he was putting the screws to someone in an official "bad cop" context.
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What do you take as a clue? How much meticulous analyzing should be done? These are from memory, so forgive mistakes, please.
With that said, I paid attention to where the people were looking and what they were doing when they told River their strange quotes (ie, when River read their minds).
Simon and Jayne both looked directly at River, and their quotes had to do directly with her. "I would be there now." "I got stupid. The money was too good."
Wash and Zoe were only concerned with each other.
Mal looked down and away from River. "None of it means a damn thing."
Inara looked at River. "I'm a big girl, just tell me."
Book seemed hunched over to me, looking at his own hands.
What does it all mean? I'm not sure. But MAYBE it means something. Maybe when they look at River, the quote has to do with River. When they look away, it is something general, and when they look at themselves (like Book) it has to do with themselves.
Too much? I dunno.
But I think Book's quote had to do with his dark past, and probably led to his joining the priesthood. I could easily see Book in an interrogation scene as an evil Alliance officer.
Another idea that has been talked about is that these are actual quotes from these characters that were said in the past or will be said in the future. Jayne and Simon, for example.
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Originally posted by THEREALME:
What do you take as a clue? How much meticulous analyzing should be done? These are from memory, so forgive mistakes, please.
With that said, I paid attention to where the people were looking and what they were doing when they told River their strange quotes (ie, when River read their minds).
Simon and Jayne both looked directly at River, and their quotes had to do directly with her. "I would be there now." "I got stupid. The money was too good."
Wash and Zoe were only concerned with each other.
Mal looked down and away from River. "None of it means a damn thing."
Inara looked at River. "I'm a big girl, just tell me."
Book seemed hunched over to me, looking at his own hands.
What does it all mean? I'm not sure. But MAYBE it means something. Maybe when they look at River, the quote has to do with River. When they look away, it is something general, and when they look at themselves (like Book) it has to do with themselves.
Too much? I dunno.
But I think Book's quote had to do with his dark past, and probably led to his joining the priesthood. I could easily see Book in an interrogation scene as an evil Alliance officer.
Another idea that has been talked about is that these are actual quotes from these characters that were said in the past or will be said in the future. Jayne and Simon, for example.
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I think the direction of the glances are meant to be a clue, but (since I am obsessed with OIS) I recently noticed some subtle differences to the descriptions you give above:
Jayne and Simon -- check!
Same for Wash and Zoe -- although I have a thought on them and will get back to it in a sec.
Mal looks down and Inara looks up and out, but I'm not sure she is looking at River -- I feel she may be talking to River or to someone else. It just isn't clear...and that's a clue, because others are very clearly looking at her.
Book doesn't appear hunched over to me, he is looking down, in derision, with a sneer on his face, looking right down his nose. I can imagine someone in a chair..or on a table or the floor being the focus of his attention...
And just to ramble...I see ths scene with Wash and Zoe as being representative of a similar role as Kaylee's -- they don't have any regrets of behavior except to one another with regard to the marriage and baby issues, but they are rock solid, this was proved in War Stories. Zoe is a stone cold (what Kaylee said in Chinese), but she has nothing to regret ro feel guilty over, as she does only what the situation requires. She calculates (which engages her values as well as strategy, etc.), then acts accordingly even if the action requires ruthlessness, so she her conscience is clear. And Wash is similarly frank and forthright in his speech and actions, if more impulsive. And they both have protective soft spots for River (Note the dialogue in response to Jayne's butcher knife complaint: Wacky fun...no one we can't spare [paraphrasing]). But it wouldn't do to have them also have nothing to say to River in this episode, it would dilute the point that Kaylee has a personal purity of motive that can be taken at face value, so they show the extent to which River can pick up on emotions.
Wow...I do go on. I guess my answer to your first 2 questions above wouid have to be: we should analyze until we fall down from fatigue and everything is a clue.
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Thanks. I'm glad I'm not the only one.
I'm also glad I'm wrong about Inara. I didn't think she should have been talking to River. I like the theory of "Words to a doctor."
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