America commits suicide
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UPDATED: Monday, August 4, 2025 18:02
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S773: Rockefeller bill gives president emergency control of Internet
http://news.cnet.com/8301-13578_3-10320096-38.html
Rockerfeller rabbis gave US the private "Federal" Reserve Bank, the animal slaughterhouse to build the United Nations Corporation, "cancer research" and allopathic medicine, World Trade Center... The original Rockefeller was a convicted snakeoil salesman.
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Nice. Of course, they can't control the internet without conquering switzerland and finland. I have retitled the thread what I think this bill effectively does.
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Originally posted by dreamtrove:
Nice. Of course, they can't control the internet without conquering switzerland and finland. I have retitled the thread what I think this bill effectively does.
Good fekkin LUCK, heh heh heh.
There's like three places in the world you do NOT wanna invade, Sweden cause everyone ELSE will come to their aid, Finland because they will absolutely, undeniably kick your ass, and Afghanistan because it's muchlike trying to jog across quicksand.
After being foolish enough to commit one of those blunders, we'd be insane to compound the stupidity by committing another.
Google: Winter War and go look what happened to the Russians, seriously.
-F
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Switzerland tends to get "looked down on" a bit by the U.S. for its neutrality, but that's mostly because most don't understand that that neutrality is AGGRESSIVELY kept. Swiss are armed, and they're trained. There's a story - probably anecdotal, but telling nonetheless - about a German general meeting with a Swiss general before the outbreak of WWII. The German general asks the Swiss how many men he could mobilize in 24 hours to defend his mountain passes. "One million armed citizens," comes the reply. "Well, what would you do if I brought five million soldiers through that pass tomorrow?" asks the German. "Each of my people would fire five shots, and go home," says the Swiss.
And the Germans never bothered to try to take Switzerland. Instead, they invaded Russia, seeing that as the easier target. 
Afghanistan is worse. It's the place where empires go to die. And the funny thing is, every time an empire invades Afghanistan, they're fully convinced that THIS TIME it's going to be different. The British had rifles and artillery, and well-trained officers, and it only cost them an entire army to find out that Afghanistan isn't a place one can take and keep. The Russians had armor and helicopter gunships, and it only cost them their entire empire to find out that it's not a place one can hold. Then we decided we'd give it a try, because we have air superiority and drones. What we DON'T have is a strategy, or an end goal, or an exit plan. You can punish Afghanistan, you can hit her people and hurt them, but you can't take over and control them. But you can pour the whole of your empire down the drain trying...
Mike
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Originally posted by Fremdfirma:
Good fekkin LUCK, heh heh heh.
There's like three places in the world you do NOT wanna invade, Sweden cause everyone ELSE will come to their aid, Finland because they will absolutely, undeniably kick your ass, and Afghanistan because it's muchlike trying to jog across quicksand.
After being foolish enough to commit one of those blunders, we'd be insane to compound the stupidity by committing another.
Google: Winter War and go look what happened to the Russians, seriously.
-F
I don't know man...
http://drownedinsound.com/news/4137680-swedish-court-orders-isp-to-cut
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I seriously thought there was a chance this stuff wouldn't happen there...
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/02/25/business/worldbusiness/25ubs.html?_r
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Seems to me that if you can control a country's internet and banking system, than you've pretty much already won the war without even firing a shot...
Pretty scary stuff actually.... especially given the generally held belief you have in the country and being that you're a mischief maker like me I hope I didn't break your heart too bad by showing you that stuff.
I'd like to get out someday, but then I ask myself..... Where would I go?
Why do you think I like Firefly so much...
Actually, it's been about 3 or 4 years since I watched it now. Damn near forget why I came to this site in the first place a lot of times. Maybe it's time I watched it again?
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Maybe it's time I watched it again?
Yes.
On a more on-topic note, yeah, this is pretty much America committing suicide. And while you people are talking about how Afghanistan and Finland aren't conquerable, I feel patriotic enough to mention that Scotland has never truly been conquered either. The Romans invaded a few times, and were driven out each time. We're only part of Great Britain thanks to the Treaty of Union ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_of_Union).
Importance to the Internet? Well, I dunno, but considering the dotSCO campaign and the SNP's fight for independence, we could be seeing a lot more of Scotland in regards to net neutrality in the future.
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Originally posted by Kwicko:
Afghanistan is worse. It's the place where empires go to die. And the funny thing is, every time an empire invades Afghanistan, they're fully convinced that THIS TIME it's going to be different. The British had rifles and artillery, and well-trained officers, and it only cost them an entire army to find out that Afghanistan isn't a place one can take and keep. The Russians had armor and helicopter gunships, and it only cost them their entire empire to find out that it's not a place one can hold. Then we decided we'd give it a try, because we have air superiority and drones. What we DON'T have is a strategy, or an end goal, or an exit plan. You can punish Afghanistan, you can hit her people and hurt them, but you can't take over and control them. But you can pour the whole of your empire down the drain trying...
Just trying to imagine what our military is thinking...
I think they think we're already "winning" in Afghanistan. Winning as defined by the military ... it's not the old days of nation building, we're not going to annex the country obviously, so what's the point? One point is to have a military presence in the country/region.
And maybe more importantly to them because it's easier to justify everything to the US people if you do this: to be actively engaging the Taliban. News filters back with "Taliban dead" attached to it and citizens tend to be able to swallow most of the hardships that come with it.
You see those highway projects that last forever? Seems like they get drawn out as long as the money is there and they don't cause too much public outrage.
I think also for the military, if you are trained to fight, you want to bloody well FIGHT! someone somewhere, almost anywhere. Sure the Swiss have soldiers and they're *trained*, but that's not the same as having someone shooting at you.
So maybe just "fighting" is the whole point?
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I think also for the military, if you are trained to fight, you want to bloody well FIGHT! someone somewhere, almost anywhere. Sure the Swiss have soldiers and they're *trained*, but that's not the same as having someone shooting at you.
So maybe just "fighting" is the whole point?
And that's the nub of it, and that's WHY Eisenhower was so prescient when he warned of the "military-industrial complex" - you get so built up in the military stuff that your economy is wrapped up in it, and then you HAVE TO use the stuff, or you won't need it anymore, and the economy will sputter if you're not manufacturing more, better, bigger, newer STUFF, which you then have to use, and so on, ad infinitum.
Thing is, if our goal was to punish the Taliban for harboring Bin Laden, fine. Hit 'em, hit 'em fast and hard, and call it done. Lesson learned: Don't fuck with us again, or next time it's nukes for you. That sounds unnecessarily harsh, and is, but you can bet your ass the message would fucking well get across.
Instead we're in there trying to "bring democracy" to an area that freely chose the Taliban last time anyone gave them anything like an actual choice, because the majority of that nation is Pashtun and believes like the Taliban believe. So what's our best-case scenario? That we topple the Taliban so a new Taliban can be elected? No, if we're there "to bring them democracy", that's just a shitty translation of us being there to install our own puppet regime, like so many have tried before. Karzai won't live to see the end of this decade, I'd bet. But we'll still be there, bogged down and going nowhere, and now not able to simply declare "Mission Accomplished" and get the fuck out, having punished everyone and everything in the country already.
Now Obama is saying things about Afghanistan being "fundamental" to U.S. foreign policy, which just digs us deeper into that hellhole, when we ought to be digging an escape tunnel, like Osama did out of Tora Bora (allegedly).
Call it GAME OVER, declare victory, and just fucking GET OUT. Why waste hundreds or thousands or tens of thousands of lives chasing after vengeance that can never be made better by spilling more blood?
Mike
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"Why waste hundreds or thousands or tens of thousands of lives chasing after vengeance that can never be made better by spilling more blood?"
Cause its fun?
lol
If we followed the Constitution we wouldn't be in this mess.
But thats ok. Just keep believing whatever the talking heads say.
Meanwhile, us Browncoats are loading up on ammo and supplies. Gotta be ready to take the country back.
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Originally posted by Kwicko:
Thing is, if our goal was to punish the Taliban for harboring Bin Laden, fine. Hit 'em, hit 'em fast and hard, and call it done. Lesson learned: Don't fuck with us again, or next time it's nukes for you. That sounds unnecessarily harsh, and is, but you can bet your ass the message would fucking well get across.
I don't think that's the goal they talk about at the Pentagon, "punishment." That sells to the public - I think their goal is to keep the Taliban occupied and maybe make them lose their will to fight for a while - and that will take a long time and they are just fine with that, I think it's the point. It's like their perfect war. It's NEW (as in newer to the front pages than Iraq)! It's Obama's so people are not as tired of it...
Besides, that country is such a wreck, how are we going to make it worse? Can't threaten people who have almost nothing - we're giving them something to die for.
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Originally posted by Kwicko:
Instead we're in there trying to "bring democracy" to an area that freely chose the Taliban last time anyone gave them anything like an actual choice, because the majority of that nation is Pashtun and believes like the Taliban believe. So what's our best-case scenario? That we topple the Taliban so a new Taliban can be elected? No, if we're there "to bring them democracy", that's just a shitty translation of us being there to install our own puppet regime, like so many have tried before. Karzai won't live to see the end of this decade, I'd bet. But we'll still be there, bogged down and going nowhere, and now not able to simply declare "Mission Accomplished" and get the fuck out, having punished everyone and everything in the country already.
Installing a puppet regime - in theory
- does have it's advantages, as in we're not there. Too bad there isn't a model for a GOOD & FAIR puppet regime out there. Fwiw, from what I've read, imho - the Taliban are not loved or allied with because they are Pashtun, but rather because they are the most merciless m-f*ckers in the neighborhood. And they pay. Afghan fighters on all sides have been known to change teams in the middle of a battle if their side is losing OR if the other side is paying better. We could pay them, we could make this go away (as we did with huge success in Iraq), but then the military wouldn't have it's testing ground.
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