The #1 selling car in the 'Cash for Clunkers' program is.......
POSTED BY: whozit
UPDATED: Friday, August 28, 2009 00:13
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Originally posted by Wulfenstar:
.... and this is what they want to do with healthcare...
wonder-fucking-full.
It is? They want to give you $4500 to trade in your old healthcare or your nonexistent healthcare?
Wulf, can you show me where or how the healthcare industry and insurance system we have now are really any better than this? I mean, people ARE still dying due to lack of care, yes?
Mike
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Mike...
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Originally posted by Kwicko:
I have to wonder how much of the delays are due to salespeople trying to shortcut things a bit. I know, I know, a car salesman would NEVER try to cut corners, right? ;)
I just wanted to let you know that you are continuing to do a wonderful job of spinning for this administration. You are like RWED's Fox News.
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Nobody,
not to pile on, but do even read mike on obama? he practically threw him to the wolves. More than i would. and it's *his* party.
At this point you're just being a detriment to your own argument. Maybe you should call of the attack, as much fun as we have...
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Fox News had some criticisms of the past administration as well. I think it's to throw people off.
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No, it's cause their australian and so don't understand the news. Sometimes they actually go out and report what is happening by accident
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BDN, in your desperation to argue with me about ANY point or comment I've tried to make, you really outdo yourself sometimes.
I'm not a big fan of the C4C plan, as I believe I've pointed out already. It's done a great job of jumpstarting car sales, but I'm not so sure it's a smart thing to do right now. It's gotten some half a million people or more to take on more debt when they should be paying down debt; as an environmental stimulus, I think it's more about a feel-good image than it is about really lessening a carbon footprint - after all, they're paying you to replace a car that's already been built and paid for with one that hasn't. And possibly worst of all, the system, the way it's set up, is ripe for abuse. For instance, my current car gets 33mpg in the city, 46hwy. As such, it's not eligible for the C4C program, since that's only for cars that get below 18mpg. So the program isn't rewarding people who've already been doing the right thing; in fact, it punishes us by forcing us to subsidize the bad habits of others. I'd love to upgrade my car to a Prius or Insight, but that's off the table now.
Even so, if I *did* have a car that qualified for the program, the way it's structured, I could actually trade in a car that gets 18mpg and buy a truck that gets 15mpg - and get a $4500 break to do it! Can someone tell me how THAT is supposed to help the environment, reduce carbon emissions, or lessen oil consumption?
So, as "bread and circuses" go, it's a raging success. As something real and meaningful? Not so much.
So somewhere in my snide comment about car salesmen trying to cut corners and game the system, you glommed onto that as "spinning" for the Obama administration, huh? Well, in that light, I can understand why you're still spinning for the Bush administration.
Fearless prediction? Cars brought in under the C4C program are going to be turning up on the streets again. Under the program, they MUST be scrapped - not resold (some very few parts may be reused). Their engines are supposed to be trashed, not parted out, the chassis crushed. How long will it be before the reports start coming out about C4C cars found back on the road after being resold by a few unscrupulous dealers?
I guess that will be all Obama's fault too, eh?
For the record again, I think mandating the cars be crushed is a bad idea. Once again, we're rewarding the rich (or more well-off, at least) and punishing the poor. Poor people buy old cars; take more than a half million old cars out of the loop, and you've just raised the prices the poor will have to pay for a smaller pool of used cars - all so other people can buy NEW cars and get more for their old cars than they're worth, in either bluebook value OR actual street value.
Mike
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Just to wind up BDN a little...
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Add to all of this, the government now has to spend even more money on the program in order to hire more staff to process the CARS claims faster.
So you're saying the Obama administration has created jobs?! Are you spinning for them now?
I think maybe my standard response to the Obama-bashers ("He's not doing enough!" "He's doing too much!") should just be a number:
4338
That's how many American servicemen and women have died in Iraq so far. Every time someone wants to bitch and moan about what this administration has done, let's just ask ourselves how that compares to Bush's wanton and useless sacrifice of 4338 American soldiers.
Is C4C a great program? Is it The New Deal? Nope. But how many soldiers did it kill? How bad is it in the realm or really bad ideas?
Mike
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Originally posted by Kwicko:
Just to wind up BDN a little...Quote:
Add to all of this, the government now has to spend even more money on the program in order to hire more staff to process the CARS claims faster.
So you're saying the Obama administration has created jobs?! Are you spinning for them now?
Perhaps if you weren't so wound up yourself you would realize that the above quoted statement belongs to Rip. You might want to read a little slower to prevent such occurences in the future.
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Originally posted by Kwicko:
NOT A QUOTE SO MUCH AS YOUR INCREASINGLY "DISTURBING" AVITARS.
Hate to argue your point bud, but you might not have the monopoly on the angriest man on the internet there. Anger manifests itself in many forms. I'm not refuting your claim outright... only stating that there is no proof positive evidence of the claim. While I'm able to admit that I am unable to offer the same towards you either in our limited capacity here, I'll just give you the benefit of the doubt, extend my arm and say to each other that we're an Oligopoly of Equal Oppurtunity Anger on the Internets.
F the Real world. If I were living life on the internets instead of here I'd be advisor to the King.
Why not the King you ask?
Kings spend their days signing the papers that others tell them they should sign and usually live by rules and traditon, and sometimes get slain by pheasants unknown....
Sounds like a shitty gig to me, no matter how many helicopter rides to Broadway they give you as perks.
I don't envy the man. And though I support those gun demonstrations as long as they remain civil I would be wearing depends if I was him in some of these places.
Nope.... I'm perfectly copacetic being the man behind the curtain.
EDITED TO ADD:
"A government is a body of people, usually notably ungoverned." http://www.myspace.com/6ixstringjack
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