Thank you, Barney Frank!
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Now, as for the REAL stuff Obama has really blown it on, where do I start?
Wire taps, indefinite detention, Gitmo, still being in Iraq, still being in Afghanistan, now targeting people in Pakistan, not addressing the problems on our own borders, not being more forceful in his dealings with healthcare reform (seriously, we don't NEED any Republican support for this; fuck "bipartisanship".)
Seriously. Give me a worthy opponent in 2012, and my vote's up for grabs. And when I say "worthy", I don't mean John McCain or Dick Cheney or Sarah "I Quit!" Palin. Give me somebody REAL. Give me an actual fiscal conservative, not just someone who says he is and then more than doubles the debt and takes us from a budget surplus to the largest deficits ever seen by any nation on Earth.
Who else have you got?
Mike
Interesting.
Okay, McCain was always a fraud moderate, I always kinda knew, but didn't admit it to myself. Palin is mad hot, and lower class, if she had more time she could have learned to act more candidate like, she's actually far more moderate than her campaign persona.
She would have been so good but they fucked it up (there's a serious problem with any hot chick though: Female jealousy, I think we saw a lot of it in '08.) As for quitting, she was forced to by the GOP who wanted rid of it.
Okay, the republican party sucks, but so does the democratic party. So, alas, do the third parties. The only party I respect at the moment is the tories.
But that said:
Mike
Okay, give me what you want in a candidate. You made a lot of points against the current administration. I personally have nothing against Obama himself, except that he pals around with terrorists (In this case, I'm referring to the Clintons and the movers and shakers in the democratic party, Harry Reid, Nancy Pelosi, all the reasons he's still at war.) Also, I am going to make a prediction: By 2012, Obama's socialism is going to crash the economy. (correction: further crash the economy.) As people say about Hoover and FDR: yes, sure, the economy was headed down because of the Coolidge credit economy over-inflating things, and sure, to some extend it's a set up. The question is, yes, but by how much?
But you make a lot of good points. I don't personally care about the borders and I don't think Obama himself actually has a healthcare plan, and the democrats' plans are all over the map. Sure, some of them are well intentioned, but the more powerful ones will be those with a strong special interest behind them, and I see this coming down to a battle between the insurance companies and the drug companies, and I think they'll end up splitting the kitty on it. Personally, I think this should be done a state level. I mean healthcare, not letting the fatcats split the kitty. Is that a mixed metaphor?
But I'm with you on the foreign policy and fiscal policy issues, I think we could see less globalism, more civil liberties, and more conservationism. I think we need to create someone, but give me your specs. I mean, you're more or less a democrat, give me a platform that you'd vote for. Passed has proven that Governors have more chance than anyone from congress, so we can start soon, creating an opposition candidate.
I think that my create-a-republican plan would have to include a special portion of the budget I call "corporate candy" This is a jar of money. We dish into it, and toss piles to wall street, directly, and try to hit as many people as possible. The plan will be way cheaper than bailouts, military spending, welfare, public works, it will just be outright theft. That will get us our support. We might as well do it in contracts (I came up with a plan a while ago I called "rebuild america" where you give out cost plus contracts to any corporation that would actually do things like rehabilitate the inner cities, etc.) A straight handout would be relatively cheap. That, and free Jesus with every purchase, and I think you could win a GOP primary.
But I want to hear, so fire away, conservative platform you'd actuall
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Signy,
You already agreed with me that there was a lot of silliness directed at Bush. Why go back on that now?
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I just think the man is grossly inexperienced for the most important job in the world .
Not unlike the last guy .
What kind of on-the-job training do you recommend for "most important job in the world"? How does one get the experience for that? Is there a "second-most important job in the world" that you get promoted from? How'd that work out for Ford? How'd it work out for HW Bush? Or Gore, for that matter?
Mike
Experience is just that , experience .
Your guy is inexperienced .
Not saying he's not going to do a good job .
I hope he does .
What's good for the USA is generally good for the world .
( as opposed to China or Russia or any other big dog )
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Quote:BDN, you were challenging Frem to refresh your memory on the SERIOUS criticisms about Bush. Do I, Frem, Kwicko, Rue, DT, HK, Gino, Succotash etc need to go back and cover all that old ground again?
Signy,You already agreed with me that there was a lot of silliness directed at Bush. Why go back on that now?
WMD: Bush lied.
Linking Saddam to 9-11.
Torture: Approved at the very top.
Refusal to honor FOIA.
Signing statements.
Warrantless wiretapping.
Extraordinary rendition.
Elimination of habeas corpus.
Driving the economy into the ground.
Feeding the rich, starving the poor.
A totally unnecessary invasion.
A totally bobbled response to Katrina?
Do I need to remind you that the Likud policy paper "A Clean Break", which details an Iraqi invasion, was written by Rumsfeld's appointees?
http://www.iasps.org/strat1.htm
That The (so-called} Patriot Act was written BEFORE 9-11?
That Cheney was deeply involved in cherry-picking the "evidence" to invade Iraq? That the Energy Commission (which he chaired) is widely reputed to have worked on a detailed map of Iraq?
That Cheney's and Rove's fingerprints were all over the political firing of State Attorneys?
****As time goes on, more and more will be coming out about the Bush admin misdeeds. It will look worse and worse, not better and better. Yes, that's a prediction. Please don't make me dig this up in five years to remind you. Just tuck this on wherever you keep important memories, and remind YOURSELF that someone got it right. Not you. And you might want to look into your assumptions and figure out how you got so blindsided. *********
BUT WAIT...!
THERE'S MORE!
But I'm not gonna go over it with you anymore. You have some brains. Use them.
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Quote:Are you trolling? Are you a sock-puppet? Hard to imagine having any kind of conversation with you if you are truly this obtuse.
pointing out that Obama has two books about himself is a smear ?
Obviously I was referring to your "ghost?" parenthetical. There is absolutely no evidence for that contention. It's part of the "I just don't trust the guy" meme, perpetuated by racist nationalists and parroted by the likes of you.
HKCavalier
You're quick to draw that racist card aren't you ?
Obama's race is irrelevant .
( well , to me it is - obviously you have a different vantage point )
I've spent the last eight years bashing Bush43 ( and the Bush-bots , though probably not as gleefully as some would like ) the way things are now with Obama44's acolytes I suspect I'll be bashing them and him for at least the next four years .
I'm not big on socialism ( and I'm Canadian so go figure ) and I'm not big on throwing money at a problem .
Obama strikes me as the sort of politician who feels that money and government can solve all problems .
I think that they just cause new ones .
( without actually fixing the initial conundrum(s) )
So dismiss me as racist , obtuse and sock-puppetty all you like .
Underestimation of opposing views is the weak link in many a liberal's play book .
( the same as many a conservative will assume a moral superiority over his opposite number )
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It's just masked under a type condescension that seems to afflict leftist elitists .
So you're whining about being lumped in with a particular group because you're a conservative, and you say it's being done to you because the left are all condescending elitists? What an awesome argument.
While you may not see them as racists, we've got racists aplenty right here on this board. We have people who constantly refer to Obama as "SCAMBO" (a play on "Sambo") or "Obama-dongo", post up video of Zulus charging the (all white) British army in response to why they feel the need to be armed at town hall meetings (you know, because "the natives" just might overrun them if they don't have all their guns with them)...
Yeah, I don't know WHERE anyone might get the idea that there are racists on the right.
If you don't want to be associated with them, distance yourself from them and tell them in no uncertain terms that they're idiots and aren't helping. Otherwise, you're seen as giving tacit approval to their views. Why, it's *almost* as if you're approving of fascism and palling around with domestic terrorists!
Mike
I have posted in about four threads so far , so sorry if I haven't been able to meet any of your resident racists .
And William Ayers was indeed a domestic terrorist . That's not racist or bias . It's a fact .
The Weathermen were terrorists just like the FLQ were terrorists .
The same as Paul Rose up here .
Any politician who allies/consorts with Paul rose is collaborating with a domestic terrorist .
And as such would never , ever gain my support or approval .
( Google Paul Rose and the FLQ to reference what I mean )
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Rose_%28political_figure%29
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Thank you Barney Frank? Why, he's scum. Are you libs proud to have Frank in your fold? You can have that FAGGOT! Yes I yelled FAGGOT! You libs can keep Frank and all the wierd dirtbags he brings with him......he's all your's.
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Thank you Barney Frank? Why, he's scum. Are you libs proud to have Frank in your fold? You can have that FAGGOT! Yes I yelled FAGGOT! You libs can keep Frank and all the wierd dirtbags he brings with him......he's all your's.
To be fair , Mr Franks sexuality is irrelevant to his dubious political maneuvers .
By calling him a faggot you simply invalidate anything else you have to offer on the subject .
And you unmask yourself as a hate filled little man . Perhaps you should look to God and ask for His forgiveness . Or you could just join Fred Phelps at his next demonstration at a military funeral .
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Hmm, Let's see...
In no particular order, just random stuff off the top of my head.
Patriot act, NOT sunsetted, and radically expanded, check.
We WERE torturing people, check.
No WMDs, and our so-called investigations were a ruse to make sure the victim was defenseless as possible before we invaded, which we were gonna do no matter what, check.
Taser abuse would become widespread, check.
Osama is almost certainly dead since Dec 2001, check.
Wholesale dragnet surveillence, a claim might I remind you was laughed off at the time, check.
Abusive conduct by our Alphabet goons, check.
Blackwater malfeasance, check.
Democrats rolling over like bitches the instant they got a majority, check.
Active duty troops deployed here with crowd control packages, check.
ADS Pain Beam *NEVER* intended for theatre deployment, *ALWAYS* intended for citizen pacification, check.
Neocon Cabal members heading for the hills, often other countries, check.
Doesn't include satellite/non political stuff, like the FLDS and Gardasil fiascos, which I called chapter and verse all the way down the line either.
Oh yeah, and this administration not stopping the abuses cause they didn't wanna cut the leash so much as just change who was holding it, check.
You might have noticed a pattern here, of said predictions falling in the 85-90% range if you've been watching, some of which was admittedly by "cheating" via having information or hints thereof not commonly available by mainstream sources at the time.
Dunno about you, but thems betting odds to me.
-F
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I told you your bias was showing, Admiral, and then that you were repeating a racist talking point and you come back with, "So dismiss me as a racist." No, honestly, I see you as the flunky of racists, perhaps a de facto racist 'cause you don't understand the origin and purpose of your guff, which is even sadder.
You don't understand what you read, Admiral--you exploit it. You gather up some prejudicial b.s. inferred from my post and smugly warn me not to underestimate you. Now that is funny. Expecting simple reading comprehension is overestimating you.
So, you dismiss your own libelous remarks about the President, defend them not at all, expecting me to do the same, and proceed to your first, however vaguely, substantive generalizations about actual policy.
Quote:You think that one up all by yourself? You want a cookie?
Obama strikes me as the sort of politician who feels that money and government can solve all problems.
I think that they just cause new ones.
It doesn't work like that. You don't come in here being a jackass, polluting the forum with your dad's hand-me-down talking points, then expect people to take you seriously when you realize that your b.s. doesn't fly.
HKCavalier
Hey, hey, hey, don't be mean. We don't have to be mean, because, remember, no matter where you go, there you are.
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