Thank you, Barney Frank!
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Quote:Bull. The RIGHT gets in the way of serious debate. You don't know me, but I'm HAPPY to discuss issues of substance, as are most of the left-wingers here. But what does the right-wing bring to the table? Obama is a Muslim. Obama wa born in Kenya. Obama wore "mom" pants. Michelle wore shorts. Michelle showed her arms. They picked the wrong kind of dog. Obama's healthcare plan has death panels.
And that card is played by the left far more often than the right . It gets in the way of serious debate .
I mean, really. When does the silly stuff end?
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Originally posted by SignyM:Quote:Bull. The RIGHT gets in the way of serious debate. You don't know me, but I'm HAPPY to discuss issues of substance, as are most of the left-wingers here. But what does the right-wing bring to the table? Obama is a Muslim. Obama wa born in Kenya. Obama wore "mom" pants. Michelle wore shorts. Michelle showed her arms. They picked the wrong kind of dog. Obama's healthcare plan has death panels.
And that card is played by the left far more often than the right . It gets in the way of serious debate .
I mean, really. When does the silly stuff end?
And , what ?
Did I not point that out ?
Ferris ?
Anyone ?
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No, what you said was that the race card gets in the way of serious debate. But how can one have a debate of any sort... serious or otherwise... when the opposing side brings gafla to the table?
This is not a case of both sides being equally at fault.
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Quote:Are you trolling? Are you a sock-puppet? Hard to imagine having any kind of conversation with you if you are truly this obtuse.
Originally posted by AdmiralDigby:Quote:
Originally posted by HKCavalier:Quote:Your bias is showing with this groundless smear.
Originally posted by AdmiralDigby:
...a man who's greatest accomplishment was to ( ghost? ) write two books about himself...
How is it groundless ?
He wrote *two* books about himself before he was forty-five .
Seriously .
And an edit - "smear" ?
pointing out that Obama has two books about himself is a smear ?
Obviously I was referring to your "ghost?" parenthetical. There is absolutely no evidence for that contention. It's part of the "I just don't trust the guy" meme, perpetuated by racist nationalists and parroted by the likes of you.
HKCavalier
Hey, hey, hey, don't be mean. We don't have to be mean, because, remember, no matter where you go, there you are.
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Originally posted by SignyM:
No, what you said was that the race card gets in the way of serious debate. But how can one have a debate of any sort... serious or otherwise... when the opposing side brings gafla to the table?
This is not a case of both sides being equally at fault.
What ?
"gafla" ?
WTF ?
Seriously .
Have you not witnessed the previous eight years ?
Crazy-ass fascist predictions were floated by the anti-Bush43 crowd with no corroboration or actual proof .
And yet the minute someone questions the new kid they're smeared as being racist ?
"Un-Patriotic = Racist"
Both are dishonest .
Am I clear ?
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Originally posted by SignyM:
I mean, really. When does the silly stuff end?
Would you like me to dig up some old threads regarding the former President? How about the "Russia is really big" thread? How about the numerous threads started over grammatical errors? Remember the thread that was started to bash Bush regarding his wearing of a countries local garb? Ever see the picture of Bush fishin'? How about the one of him flippin' the bird? How much traction did the left get with that picture of Bush holding the foreign dignitaries hand? Where were you to decry this silly stuff back then?
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I just think the man is grossly inexperienced for the most important job in the world .
Not unlike the last guy .
What kind of on-the-job training do you recommend for "most important job in the world"? How does one get the experience for that? Is there a "second-most important job in the world" that you get promoted from? How'd that work out for Ford? How'd it work out for HW Bush? Or Gore, for that matter?
Mike
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It's just masked under a type condescension that seems to afflict leftist elitists .
So you're whining about being lumped in with a particular group because you're a conservative, and you say it's being done to you because the left are all condescending elitists? What an awesome argument.
While you may not see them as racists, we've got racists aplenty right here on this board. We have people who constantly refer to Obama as "SCAMBO" (a play on "Sambo") or "Obama-dongo", post up video of Zulus charging the (all white) British army in response to why they feel the need to be armed at town hall meetings (you know, because "the natives" just might overrun them if they don't have all their guns with them)...
Yeah, I don't know WHERE anyone might get the idea that there are racists on the right.
If you don't want to be associated with them, distance yourself from them and tell them in no uncertain terms that they're idiots and aren't helping. Otherwise, you're seen as giving tacit approval to their views. Why, it's *almost* as if you're approving of fascism and palling around with domestic terrorists!
Mike
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Quote:I assume you know what gafla means? It's a term from DUNE, which says (in one word) distractions that leaders throw to the population to keep them from looking at the important issues.
What ? "gafla" ? WTF ? Seriously.
Quote:First of all, I'm not recalling any crazy-ass "predictions". What I do recall is a lot of gasping reaction to what Bush had already DONE. So if you can enlighten me by telling me SPECIFICALLY which "predictions" you're talking about, I'll be happy to respond.
Have you not witnessed the previous eight years ? Crazy-ass fascist predictions were floated by the anti-Bush43 crowd with no corroboration or actual proof.
AFA the reactions to what Bush had already DONE, much of it was solidly attested to by witnesses- even those within his administration. I'm not going to go through the list which I already provided, but I'll betcha dollars to donuts that as the secrets dribble out from the Bush admin it will look worse and worse.... not better and better. So WTF??? back atcha.
Quote:I have NO PROBLEMS with people "questioning" the new kid. I go to a site pretty much every day which does. They question him about everything: The bailout and TARP, indefinite detention, international trade, his coziness with Goldman Sachs, his commitment to universal health care... Your attempt to frame the debate to say that anyone who "questions" the President is accused of as being "racist" is rhetorically dishonest.
And yet the minute someone questions the new kid they're smeared as being racist ? "Un-Patriotic = Racist" Both are dishonest.
A word of caution, Admiral: We're not rhetorical newbies around here. At a glance I found three major dishonest statements of yours in this thread and you've only been called on two. So let me go back and refresh your memory:
Quote:You didn't criticize Obama for writing two books about himself. You criticized him for that being his GREATEST ACCOMPLISHMENT. I see that "reframing" is your stock in trade, and I'm calling you on it. Honesty would be appreciated. Weasel-wording? Not so much.
Am I wrong in thinking that a man who's greatest accomplishment was to ( ghost? ) write two books about himself might just not meet the criteria needed for running the most powerful office in the world ?-ADM
Your bias is showing with this groundless smear.-HKCavalier
How is it groundless ? He wrote *two* books about himself before he was forty-five .-ADM
Now HERE is an argument which is not only honest, it's on-point!
Quote:Yep, ya got me. SOME of it was groundless. (Some not so much. Many of the pictures of Bush holding hands with the Saudi Prince were posted IN RESPONSE TO Obama's bow. So one silliness was responded to by another. FU on that.) However, in defense of the anti-Bushies, our criticism were not JUST about silly stuff. Most of it was pretty damn serious. Treasonous, in fact. Nobody wants to see Bush tried for wearing silly clothes, but many of us would like to see him tried for treason.
Would you like me to dig up some old threads regarding the former President? How about the "Russia is really big" thread? How about the numerous threads started over grammatical errors? Remember the thread that was started to bash Bush regarding his wearing of a countries local garb? Ever see the picture of Bush fishin'? How about the one of him flippin' the bird? How much traction did the left get with that picture of Bush holding the foreign dignitaries hand? Where were you to decry this silly stuff back then?
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Crazy-ass fascist predictions were floated by the anti-Bush43 crowd with no corroboration or actual proof.
Issat so ?
Mind you, I'd say personally I nailed about 85-90% of em, often with proof in hand, and now that all this shit is finally coming out it's not so damn crazy any more is it now ?
Especially since I nailed all the big ones dead-bang square, chapter and verse, all the way down the line - so if you wanna dance this number, best do it with someone who didn't have the playlist in hand before the curtain even came up.
-F
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