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Some people who dislike Obama's policies aren't racists .
In fact most are not racists .
You want me to believe that conservatives aren't racist? Stop hanging out with racists; stop supporting them, stop defending them, and get the hell away from them. Tell them they aren't helping you, and that you don't want their support for your cause, because they hurt more than they could ever possibly help, and the besmirch you and other non-racists and blur the issue.
You don't fight racism by enabling it or encouraging it. You fight it by confronting it and fighting against it. You have a right to believe that some people are just automatically inferior to others for no other reason than the color of their skin, and I have an absolute right to mock you incessantly if you believe that.
Ain't America grand?
Mike
As a mostly white Canadian guy married to a black girl ( who's sort of an Obama fan but she's flagging under the absolute adoration he receives from our media ) I can certainly say that I have little love for your currant POTUS .
Now , nearly every time I've stated this I've simply been dismissed as "racist" .
I just think the man is grossly inexperienced for the most important job in the world .
Not unlike the last guy .
( the socialism and ties to domestic terrorists do not help either )
But back to my point - dismissing critics of Obama as being racist is as bad as the Bushites dismissing critics as being "unpatriotic" .
Both are dishonest .
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I just spent a thread arguing about how the people protesting at townhalls and even the ones bringing guns to townhalls can not automatically be discounted as racist, and I myself caught some flak over it.
To be honest, so far the only person I've seen who is probably racist was a guy I saw with a sign that said "death to Obama, Michelle, and their two stupid kids." Their kids don't even have a political orientation for him to take issue with, so I'm thinking it's not politics he has a problem with.
But all Niki said was
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America is having a lot of trouble accepting change, especially the big change of a Black man in the White House. That's behind it for a lot of them; some are just dumb/ignorant Repubs who are incapable of thinking for themselves, some are ignorant people who mistrust the government whatever it does, etc.
She said "a lot of them." Not all. She also pointed out some who are not racist, and later she realized her mistake, corrected herself, and said that some of THOSE are not ignorant.
Someone isn't lying if they believe what they're saying, and honestly, what she said really was not that offensive (or even wrong, because racists do exist in this country, and I imagine that they might take issue with Barack Obama being president). Nor was it personal to you.
Looks like another misunderstanding to me.
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Why I think a lot of people really ARE racist is that fact that the Republicna right can get so many people riled up over phantasms, shadows. "Birthers", Obama with a Hitler mustache and "Hitler medicine"... this is just a cover for their true feelings.
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Why I think a lot of people really ARE racist is that fact that the Republicna right can get so many people riled up over phantasms, shadows. "Birthers", Obama with a Hitler mustache and "Hitler medicine"... this is just a cover for their true feelings.
Leftists weren't motivated by Bush43=fascists! for the past eight years ?
What's happening to Obama44 is simply the other side of an ugly coin that was pointed at Bush43 .
The same movement that many on the left paint as racist actually increased aid to Africa and had more minorities in government power positions than even America's "First Black President" Bill Clinton .
As a person who's spent near thirty years observing the "two solitudes" I can honestly say that racism is as prevalent on the left as it is on the right .
It's just masked under a type condescension that seems to afflict leftist elitists .
My take anyways .
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Quote:The difference? Bush really was trending towards fascism. If you're such a consistent obsever of the politcal scene, surely I don't need to remind you of warrantless wiretapping, manipulation of terror threat levels, secret assassination programs, politcal firings of State Attorneys, torture, elimination of habeas corpus, signing statements, unnecessary invasions, and all the other crap that Bush43 escalated to levels not seen since Nixon? (And maybe not even then??)
Leftists weren't motivated by Bush43=fascists! for the past eight years ?...As a person who's spent near thirty years observing the "two solitudes"
There are PLENTY of things to accuse Obama about... unnecessarily hemorrhaging money to the financial sector, continuing the fine tradition of "signing statments", covering the telcom's *ss, proposing indefinite preventive detention (some Bush was doing already)... But getting in a froth about this birth certificate issue???????
THAT'S what racists veer towards when they can't grab ahold of anything substantive in their paradigms.
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Originally posted by SignyM:Quote:The difference? Bush really was trending towards fascism. If you're such a consistent obsever of the American politcal scene, surely I don't need to remind you of warrantless wiretapping, manipulation of terror threat levels, secret assassination programs, politcal firings of State Attorneys, torture, elimination of habeas corpus, signing statements and all the other crap that Bush43 escalated to levels not seen since Nixon? (And maybe not even then??)
Leftists weren't motivated by Bush43=fascists! for the past eight years ?
There are PLENTY of things to accuse Obama about... hemorrhaging money to the financila sector, continuing the fine tradition of "signing statments", covering the telcom's *ss, proposing indefinite preventive detention (some Bush was doing already)... But getting in a froth about this birth certificate issue???????
THAT'S what racists veer towards when they can't grab ahold of anything substantive in their paradigms.
And yet nearly all of Bush43's ( troubling "security measures" for sure ) have not , nor will be dismantled .
Politicians are almost uniformly reluctant to cede power no matter whence it came and no matter what they said prior to gaining power .
That's why the US system is separated into three powerful structures .
It's a hard machine to break .
It is your strength .
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Am I wrong in thinking that a man who's greatest accomplishment was to ( ghost? ) write two books about himself might just not meet the criteria needed for running the most powerful office in the world ?
I'm no fan of Bush43 and am marginally more impressed with Ms Clinton .
I am not impressed by any measure by Obama44 other than his ability to read a teleprompter in a mesmerizing cadence .
I think that if he only waited four - eight years he just might have achieved the POTUS with a better grounding and as such might have been a far better leader .
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Quote:And THAT is exactly what I criticize Obama for. But what about the peeps who really ARE in a froth about nothing? What's their "agenda"?
And yet nearly all of Bush43's ( troubling "security measures" for sure ) have not , nor will be dismantled
Simple- they don't have one. They will pick on anything and everything... that Michelle Obama wore shorts or that Barack "hasn't" produced his birth certificate or that there will be "death panels". WTF???? Gasping at straws, really. And why??? Because they cannot speak out loud what's really on their minds.
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Originally posted by SignyM:Quote:And THAT is exactly what I criticize Obama for. But what about the peeps who really ARE in a froth about nothing? What's their "agenda"?
And yet nearly all of Bush43's ( troubling "security measures" for sure ) have not , nor will be dismantled
Simple- they don't have one. They will pick on anything and everything... that Michelle Obama wore shorts or that Barack "hasn't" produced his birth certificate or that there will be "death panels". WTF???? Gasping at straws, really. And why??? Because they cannot speak out loud what's really on their minds.
Hey , at no point have I not thought a lot of the sound and fury propagated by political pundits are nothing more than that .
It's just that no matter how unhinged ( or hinged if you will ) the ultimate debate stopper is to simply bring the race card into play .
And that card is played by the left far more often than the right .
It gets in the way of serious debate .
( as does the silly birth certificate , "sekrit Muslim" crap propagated by some far out righties )
For instance - many of my Canadian peers are happy that a black man has achieved POTUS stauts .
"Why?" I ask .
"Because America is such a racist country." is the standard refrain .
Racist ?
As in institutional ?
Show me a country where blacks ( and other minorities ) are able to flourish as well as they do in the USA .
Does anyone really believe Obama44 would have achieved his incredible life back in Kenya ?
Not saying it doesn't exist ( I'm not a tard no matter what impression I may be making here ) because it does .
Up here too .
But not to the extent that it is given .
( edited for a speelin' error )
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...The difference? Bush really was trending towards fascism
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